Chlorhexidine Solution question

[05kas05]

ok guys i ordered some Chlorhexidine Solution off of amazon because it listed the same stuff as they sell on reptile basics website but it came in and its a different brand and i just want to be sure it is what i am supposed to be using so if you got a second and dont mind clicking on the link below can you please ease my mind and let me know if they sent me the right stuff. im pretty sure it is i just want to be sure as i have not used it before and i just want to be safe T.I.A. 05kas05


http://www.vetone.net/images/pdf/ChlorhexidineSolution_sellsheet.pdf

[EAC Reptiles]

That is basically the same stuff I use. I just cut mine down. Maybe 1/8 of a spray bottle and the rest water. I get mine from a farm supply store but looks to be the same. As long as you let it sit on whatever your cleaning for a few minutes you should be good.

[kitedemon]

There are two formulations Chlorhexidine Acetate and Chlorhexidine Gluconate and Di gluconate. They are basically the same and all of them are fine to use. Remember once mixed it has a short shelf life one week if mixed with tap water and 6 weeks if mixed with distilled water. It is not a cleaner, the surfaces MUST be washed and rinsed before disinfecting. It needs a ten min soak to work.

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[TessadasExotics]

You absolutley can use it to clean with.

[kitedemon]

You absolutley can use it to clean with.

The manufacturer's instructions disagree with you.

" Thoroughly clean all surfaces with soap or detergent and rinse with water then
Saturate all surfaces with the recommended disinfecting solution for a period of 10 minutes."

It is is NOT a cleaner if it is applied to organic material it is neutralized and is no longer effective as a disinfectant. Why buy a disinfectant to not use it as one?

I have posted clear emails from the manufacturer. This is the instructions from the manufacturer

http://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-359873_mfr.pdf

The only family of disinfectants that is effective on soiled surfaces is phenols. Phenols are highly toxic to reptiles, cats and pigs. They are simply to toxic to reptiles to be safe to use.

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/res...infectants.pdf

Exerp from "disinfection 101" The Center for Food Security & Public Health by DR. Glenda Dvorak, DVM, MS, MPH, Ed. Dr. James Roth, DVM, PhD, DACVM; Dr. Sandra Amass, DVM, PhD, DABVP:

"Washing or sanitizing further reduces the number of microorganisms in the area to a safer level.2 This is the most crucial step in the disinfection process and will most likely eliminate the majority of remaining microorganisms, if performed correctly. Efficient cleaning can remove up to 99% of bacteria present.
Soak the area with hot water and detergent or other cleaning agent, then wash by wiping, spraying, or scrubbing. Application of washing solution can be improved by use of low pressure (90-120 psi) garden hose applicator. Steam and high pressure washers (200-1000 psi) can be very useful for cleaning porous surfaces.2 Caution should be taken if high pressure spraying is used; this method may further aerosolize microorganisms and further spread of contaminants.2
Proceed from the cleanest areas to the dirtiest and from the highest level (ceiling) to the lowest (floor). Equipment that can be removed should be brushed and soaked in detergent before disinfection. Pay particular attention to troughs, drinkers, corners and floor drains.2 These areas can serve as reservoirs for pathogens and should be cleaned and disinfected last.
www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM 14
Disinfection 101 February 2005
Although cleaning may appear to remove all debris, biofilm may remain on surfaces and interfere with disinfection efficacy. Biofilm is a complex aggregation of bacteria adhering to surfaces in an exopolysaccharide matrix, resulting in a thin residue remaining after cleaning. These bacteria are highly resistant to disinfection. Surfactant detergents, mechanical scrubbing, brushing and scraping during cleaning help reduce biofilm.2
After washing affected areas, thorough rinsing at low pressure should follow for all surfaces to remove any residue. Many disinfectants (i.e., QACs, hypochlorite) can be inactivated by soaps and detergents. Areas should be allowed to dry before application of the selected disinfectant to reduce potential dilution of the disinfectant upon application."

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/res...101Feb2005.pdf

[05kas05]

The manufacturer's instructions disagree with you.

" Thoroughly clean all surfaces with soap or detergent and rinse with water then
Saturate all surfaces with the recommended disinfecting solution for a period of 10 minutes."

It is is NOT a cleaner if it is applied to organic material it is neutralized and is no longer effective as a disinfectant. Why buy a disinfectant to not use it as one?

I have posted clear emails from the manufacturer. This is the instructions from the manufacturer

http://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-359873_mfr.pdf

The only family of disinfectants that is effective on soiled surfaces is phenols. Phenols are highly toxic to reptiles, cats and pigs. They are simply to toxic to reptiles to be safe to use.

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/res...infectants.pdf

Exerp from "disinfection 101" The Center for Food Security & Public Health by DR. Glenda Dvorak, DVM, MS, MPH, Ed. Dr. James Roth, DVM, PhD, DACVM; Dr. Sandra Amass, DVM, PhD, DABVP:

"Washing or sanitizing further reduces the number of microorganisms in the area to a safer level.2 This is the most crucial step in the disinfection process and will most likely eliminate the majority of remaining microorganisms, if performed correctly. Efficient cleaning can remove up to 99% of bacteria present.
Soak the area with hot water and detergent or other cleaning agent, then wash by wiping, spraying, or scrubbing. Application of washing solution can be improved by use of low pressure (90-120 psi) garden hose applicator. Steam and high pressure washers (200-1000 psi) can be very useful for cleaning porous surfaces.2 Caution should be taken if high pressure spraying is used; this method may further aerosolize microorganisms and further spread of contaminants.2
Proceed from the cleanest areas to the dirtiest and from the highest level (ceiling) to the lowest (floor). Equipment that can be removed should be brushed and soaked in detergent before disinfection. Pay particular attention to troughs, drinkers, corners and floor drains.2 These areas can serve as reservoirs for pathogens and should be cleaned and disinfected last.
www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM 14
Disinfection 101 February 2005
Although cleaning may appear to remove all debris, biofilm may remain on surfaces and interfere with disinfection efficacy. Biofilm is a complex aggregation of bacteria adhering to surfaces in an exopolysaccharide matrix, resulting in a thin residue remaining after cleaning. These bacteria are highly resistant to disinfection. Surfactant detergents, mechanical scrubbing, brushing and scraping during cleaning help reduce biofilm.2
After washing affected areas, thorough rinsing at low pressure should follow for all surfaces to remove any residue. Many disinfectants (i.e., QACs, hypochlorite) can be inactivated by soaps and detergents. Areas should be allowed to dry before application of the selected disinfectant to reduce potential dilution of the disinfectant upon application."

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/BRM/res...101Feb2005.pdf

thank you for all the info i understand it is a Disinfectant and not a cleaner i will be cleaning the cages with dawn soap and hot water then i will wipe them out with just water 2 or three times to make sure all the soap is off and once its dry now that i have the Chlorhexidine i will spray that on and let it sit for 10 min then wipe out the excess and let dry and put the animals back. if there is a problem with this method or maybe an easier way to go about it im all ears.

[kitedemon]

Sadly no this is the correct method. I wish there was a faster way but short cuts in opposition to the directions are unlikely to be effective. There is no way to know you are actually disinfecting or just wasting your time unless you have regular swab tests done and nobody does this I know of anyway. The only way to know you are disinfecting is to follow the instructions. Question, did your Chlorhexidine come with an information sheet? I find the number of people whom have no clue about what the disinfectant does or how to use it alarming. My disinfectants have usually come with instructions so it seems odd that few seem to have read them.