I wasn't trying to keep my hand out as much as trying to get as much snake in the pic. I can't hold with two hands and get the picture, and one hand leads to a picture of my hand and a tiny bit of snake. If I find my tripod I'll try a timed pic with me holding them. Just a real pain to try to get pics when they either ball up or make a run for it.

Thanks for the opinions! I appreciate it. I was thinking there was a lot o granite looking on some.