Fire x Wild Type or so i thought .....

[snakesRkewl]

No need for the dams belly pic, the male is a YB Fire.

Hard to tell for sure but that makes sense...

[Nightfirez]

im looking at her now and as much as i wish the grumpy old bag was a YB she defiantly isn't

so this is all down to the male

belly pic just to be sure

[Royal Hijinx]

THIS is a fire YB:




There is usually not mixing them up with a regular Fire.

[Nightfirez]

i would agree with there is generally no mixing it up but

while i dont see YB in the sire's belly
the dame certainly isnt so either he is a low expression YB

but yet its easily spot-able in the hatchies

so either its something they will shed out after a couple of sheds those pics were all taken after there first sheds

or there is something else at play and i just haven't put my finger on it yet

its a shame the original breeder of the fire didn't speak much English he was sold as " very good fire " in best dutch / German accent

either way this is the second clutch he has produced with the same results

and i have fingers crossed it was him that had her a clutch from a very bright pastel in the incubator as well with 3 days left on the clock

and no i haven't cut them yet

[TessadasExotics]

All ball pythons can vary quite a bit and not every morph follows the perfect "guideline" markers either. Not all YB's have that definitive belly pattern. YB's as well as Fires also have a huge range of looks. That being said all Fire YB's don't look the same.

Hatchling 1,2,3 and I am sure 4 all have the typical YB belly pattern.

[Nightfirez]

just checked the eggs from what will hopefully be his next clutch

one of them left a window in and well i can see bright yellow through it so fingers crossed ill know what him + pastel will do depending on odds i guess lol
they all separate easy so another few days i reckon original estimate of the 26 is looking good

my first 2 clutches and ive ended up with head scratchers

sorry but ill probably be back for more help

mind you i have had john berry try and id a couple of my royals i have 1 which even he is unsure of showing signs of been gravid to my other pastel

as far as this clutch goes as they are all popping male i wont be keeping them well yes and no my misses is having 1 ( the little ringer ) and 1 has been reserved by the sires original owner

really just trying to figure out what the label the others as so i can sell them on and give people as much info as i can
i know crystal plaice reptiles over here is selling fire/YB's for £450 which seems way over priced to me and these look miles brighter than there site picks

but any way thanks for the help

[Nightfirez]

this fire X nice pastel

interesting clutch for sure not had there first sheds yet but some pics any way

















over all im assuming 1 fire fly , 2 pastels , 1 normal , 1 more ringer didnt get pics forgot to take them of the last 2

still not sure why his clutches keep throwing ringers out guess ill wait for them to shed / get my light box set up for some clear'er pics

[TessadasExotics]

Awesome!

[yardy]

My friend has a really nice fire that looks a lot like your boy - he also sires some beautiful babies but there is definitely no yb in his genetics. Out of interest do you know the original breeder of your fire?

[rabernet]

I'm not seeing the YB either.

Your sire reminds me a lot of my Fire - and he's "just a Fire" that I picked up from Justin Kobylka.