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[ChrisP]

Hey Guys! Im new to the forum and I have a question for you all,

Just a little back story I have been keeping snakes for 4 years however, my parents never really agreed with this hobby till I became old enough and made my own decisions. Having said that I picked up 2 normal females for the 2013 season. They were a little underweight to breed but there was still time to get them to size. One of them ended up dropping a clutch of 5 eggs! She was 1300 grams with the eggs :S. I ended up hatching a Bumblebee, a Pastel, a Mojave, and 0.2 Female Normals. Sadly the Normals were the only ones to survive from that clutch. Now for my question, Here is what I currently own:

Females : PB 3 Female Normals , 1 Possible Normal/Pastel or Spotnose (Ill post a photo up for you all to identify her for me)
Males : PB Mojave, Pastel, PB Het Red Axanthic

My local breeder suggested me to give him back the Mojave for a proven breeder Bumblebee, how ever he wants an extra $300 on top of the trade. He also has a Female Pinstripe sitting at 800 grams im thinking to get her up to size for a late breed and she is only $150 more.

What would you guys do? Should I stick with what I have or do one of the trades?

Chris

[Mike41793]

Whats PB?

[Quantum Constrictors]

Whats PB?

Proven Breeder

[satomi325]

Hey Guys! Im new to the forum and I have a question for you all,

Just a little back story I have been keeping snakes for 4 years however, my parents never really agreed with this hobby till I became old enough and made my own decisions. Having said that I picked up 2 normal females for the 2013 season. They were a little underweight to breed but there was still time to get them to size. One of them ended up dropping a clutch of 5 eggs! She was 1300 grams with the eggs :S. I ended up hatching a Bumblebee, a Pastel, a Mojave, and 0.2 Female Normals. Sadly the Normals were the only ones to survive from that clutch. Now for my question, Here is what I currently own:

Females : PB 3 Female Normals , 1 Possible Normal/Pastel or Spotnose (Ill post a photo up for you all to identify her for me)
Males : PB Mojave, Pastel, PB Het Red Axanthic

My local breeder suggested me to give him back the Mojave for a proven breeder Bumblebee, how ever he wants an extra $300 on top of the trade. He also has a Female Pinstripe sitting at 800 grams im thinking to get her up to size for a late breed and she is only $150 more.

What would you guys do? Should I stick with what I have or do one of the trades?

Chris

I would pass on the bee. Well. I guess it depends in the quality of the bee and mojave. If the mojave is a nice example of the morph, I would rather keep him than an ugly bee. When breeding, you want high quality animals. Breeding ugly snakes will give you ugly babies. Plus male hatchling bees are going for $250-350 these days. I think he's asking at least $100 too much for the trade. Can you post pictures of both snakes so we can determine quality? And if possible, to get their baby pictures?


Get the pin. $150 is a steal for a girl almost to breeder size. Breeder size pin girls are worth $800-900.

And yes. Please post that normal(poss pastel/spotnose). They are very easy to distinguish.

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[ChrisP]

The bee was a decent looking bee however the bumblebee hatchlings were way to spotty for my liking. I dont have access to a photo of the pinstripe yet but she's a very clean pin!

Here are a few of the snakes

http://s1301.photobucket.com/albums/...s25/?start=all

[AdamF]

Not to be a party pooper, but 1300g, is a drop light to breed the girl, and when are you planning to breed the 800g female you are considering?

The rule is 3 (years old)-3 (ft. long)-1500g

Rushing it is not wise.

[Zombie]

Not to be a party pooper, but 1300g, is a drop light to breed the girl, and when are you planning to breed the 800g female you are considering?

The rule is 3 (years old)-3 (ft. long)-1500g

Rushing it is not wise.

That's some people's guide lines, not a rule. Generally females will breed their second winter. I prefer to wait till 1200g but some instances will breed at 1000. Like this last year I had a 3 yr old female spider that barely got to 1000 grams. I paired her up and she was 1275 before laying. She laid 5 perfect huge eggs and went all the way down to 778 grams. She is already back up to 1400 grams. If the female is ready to breed, she will...

[satomi325]

Not to be a party pooper, but 1300g, is a drop light to breed the girl, and when are you planning to breed the 800g female you are considering?

The rule is 3 (years old)-3 (ft. long)-1500g

Rushing it is not wise.

General guide is 2 winters.

I don't follow the 1500 g guide either. Some girls are sexually mature but don't ever get that large no matter how much they eat.
As long as the mature female has proportional weight to length, it should be fine to breed. For example: breeding a female that is 1200 g, but is short and fat is safer than breeding a skinny1800 g female. As long as the female has nice body condition and proper fat reserves, a lighter female can be bred safely.

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[AdamF]

General guide is 2 winters.

I don't follow the 1500 g guide either. Some girls are sexually mature but don't ever get that large no matter how much they eat.
As long as the mature female has proportional weight to length, it should be fine to breed. For example: breeding a female that is 1200 g, but is short and fat is safer than breeding a skinny1800 g female. As long as the female has nice body condition and proper fat reserves, a lighter female can be bred safely.

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I'm sure you can also breed a 900g female, and things can work out fine.
You can also drink before you drive, and not crash. You can smoke and never get cancer.

I have yet to meet a professional breeder, or read from experts that DON"T say, "under 1500g is increased risk to mother and eggs.

It should not go unoticed that the OP lost more than 1/2 the first clutch.

Of course, your snake, your choice

[S.I.R.]

Keep the proven breeder mojave! Eventually, you can make mystic potions, purple passions, and so on! I generally go by 1200 grams as my minimum size to breed. I prefer to have them in the 1500 to 1800 gram size personally. Females will breed when they are ready, but as a breeder you still have to keep their best interest in mind.