Fire

[Royal Hijinx]

I would pass on them as well. As was stated even if they are Fire, they are poor quality (OR just VERY badly lit).

Here is my single gene female (she is a Flame, which as just another Fire line). Notice the color and the head stamp. She is 700-800g.





You want a bright Fire, so that when you mix it with other morphs it passes on that color. Like this in my Fire Spider girl:




And, you do pay for quality. I only paid $50 less for the Flame than I paid for the Fire Spider, due to wanting such a clean and bright female.

So, all of that was a long winded way to say: Keep Looking

[greghall]

There certainly was no concern with selective breeding when that breeder produced those fires.. I too would pass on them. They do look to be fires but low quality. People really should build their collections with the highest quality, obvious morphs they can find. The market is being flooded with terrible representations of all these morphs in the last couple years due to so many new people getting into it and breeding whatever they can get their hands on with no regard for quality.

This is only hurting them because if you shop around you'll see that the breeders who are selling the same morphs but of an eye popping quality are getting more money out of them. Plus they sell a lot faster and they aren't sitting on those babies for months or a year.

Never settle. Get what you want but get a nice one in the process.

Ive Produced over 50 fires they are all variable I keep the best looking females for myself,This year I have fire combos that are stunning fire is a must have in any collection!

[MorphMaster]

They all appear to be fires to me. They have proper head stamps. With fires, as babies anyways, they're brown is creamier. It's not like chocolate, it's smoother and lighter. It's hard to say which one is better for me because i really love the flames on fires. So cloer shots of each at an extended side view would be helpful in choosing which is better in my opinion

[digizure]

How about this one?

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[MorphMaster]

I believe they are fires. but not the quality of fire I would want for breeding.

Fire's should be bold and bright. As babies, they should be very yellow, with heavy blushing and bright headstamps. Big belly flames are also good. I am very particular about snakes I buy or keep for breeding. That selectivity led me to be blessed with some amazing fires this season.

Here is a photo of one of mine to compare.


See that super bright yellow coloring? That is key to a quality fire baby. As they mature, they turn creamy instead of yellow.

Here is one with killer blushing, this one is a male.

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See the huge difference in these babies compared to the ones in your photo ?

Gale

Does that first snake have eyes? I may be missing something......

[ball python 22]

Does that first snake have eyes? I may be missing something......

I think that was a clutch that were born eyless but correct me if Im wrong.

[Knytemare]

I just got a fire the other day, heres mine, he's a little brighter in person, and he's got some cool blushing around his head.

[digizure]

How about this one?

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Any thoughts about this one?

[angllady2]

Yes, that baby was one of my clutch that was born eyeless.

The one in your hand seems brighter to me, which may or may not be the lighting. I do like the belly flames you can clearly see on this baby, and a few bands of blushing across it's back. Based on that picture, I'd consider that one for breeding.

Now the question is, is that one of the first three? Or a different one?

I wish you all the best in your search. But the truth is, ask 100 different people if that baby is ideal and 45 will say yes, 45 will say no, 5 will hate fires, and the last 5 will tell you to wait and get a fire combo.

Gale

[digizure]

I wish you all the best in your search. But the truth is, ask 100 different people if that baby is ideal and 45 will say yes, 45 will say no, 5 will hate fires, and the last 5 will tell you to wait and get a fire combo.

Gale[/QUOTE]

It is a different one. I know, everyone has their own opinion. I just don't know much about fires and I want BELs someday. I just don't want to waste my money on low quality pythons.