Morph ID??? Please Help

[dr del]

Hi,

The male has slight het pied markers - but those are in no way reliable as not all hets have them and plenty of non-hets have them too.

Other than that I will stick to the two normals reply.


dr del

[earthdragons737]

I still want to know more on the missing nutrients caused this. I under stand that there are MANY different colors patterns for normal ball pythons. But they still catch my eye as somthing strange especially in person.

[earthdragons737]

I got a pair of "normal ball pythons" from a lady on craigslist. She was selling them as pastels because the owner of her local pet shop said she had never seen anything like them and said they resembled pastels. I would not trust the petshop owner due to her telling the previous owner that if the pair of ball pythons if bred the female will lay 60, yes 60 eggs! But besides that fact they still look different to me. I posted a thread on "what this morph"
( http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ID-Please-Help ) about them and people were saying how they were just normals and the discoloration was due to lack for nutrients. When I picked them up they were in great health, Although she was feeding them mice, it was once a week at 5 mice each. Not an approved diet (by me anyway) but still better than what I have seen before. What make me wonder is with alot of research I could not find any pics that look similar to what they look like. Also people were telling me it is not worth breeding them. I would like to get a wider range of opinions on this. I dont want to sound like I think every normal ball python I see is a dinker but these guys are relitivly odd.

Male:
http://picpaste.com/male_4-JZkRp8HL.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_3-Z7e64CZU.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_2-eiiI7dMs.JPG
http://picpaste.com/male_1-nXbq0I0G.JPG

Female:
http://picpaste.com/female_3-eut6qYl3.JPG
http://picpaste.com/female_2-3iKeA1pP.JPG
http://picpaste.com/female_1-e4e8MW3M.JPG

[decensored]

I remember this one.

Can't say for sure, but I would be interested in seeing the offspring!

Goodluck!

[PorcelainxDoll]

Cant see the pics

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[earthdragons737]

I remember this one.

Can't say for sure, but I would be interested in seeing the offspring!

Goodluck!

should I breed the male and female together or just female to a morph?

[angllady2]

Just because they ate a lot of mice, doesn't mean good health. Lots of people raise their mice on substandard food because it's cheaper. Poor food in the mice, poor nutrition in the mice you feed the snake. It happens more than you would think.

Neither of those snakes look remotely like a pastel, not even an ugly pastel.

If you want to bred them then by all means do so. But do it with the expectation they will produce average quality normal offspring which you may or may not have trouble finding homes for.

I've seen many and many snakes in my day, and what you see in these two is really not all that uncommon in mass produced, malnourished ball pythons. I see more rescues every year that have these same pale splotches, or should I say snakes in need of being rescued from neglectful or inexperienced owners. I've even owned a few like that. And a couple of them really were morphs. My husband's super pastel is a great example. When he got her [ because she was cheap ] she was the palest, brownest, ugliest excuse for a super pastel I'd ever seen. And I mean UGLY. Now, while she'll never win any beauty contests, she did color up really nice once she was offered good quality food on a regular basis.

Had a mojave the same way. He was pale, washed out, almost a greenish color. He looked like he was sick. A few months later, with plenty of good food in his belly, he's starting to look like a mojave should.

Also have a fire, same thing. She'd been starved down to 400 grams at 2 years old. Pale and sickly looking, with these odd bright patches like your snakes have. Today, she eats like a horse on the healthy food I raise myself, and you'd never know she was the same snake.

So by all means do breed them. That's the only way you'll ever know for sure. But don't expect something never before seen out of them, because that will only set you up for disappointment.

Gale

[earthdragons737]

Just because they ate a lot of mice, doesn't mean good health. Lots of people raise their mice on substandard food because it's cheaper. Poor food in the mice, poor nutrition in the mice you feed the snake. It happens more than you would think.

Neither of those snakes look remotely like a pastel, not even an ugly pastel.

If you want to bred them then by all means do so. But do it with the expectation they will produce average quality normal offspring which you may or may not have trouble finding homes for.

I've seen many and many snakes in my day, and what you see in these two is really not all that uncommon in mass produced, malnourished ball pythons. I see more rescues every year that have these same pale splotches, or should I say snakes in need of being rescued from neglectful or inexperienced owners. I've even owned a few like that. And a couple of them really were morphs. My husband's super pastel is a great example. When he got her [ because she was cheap ] she was the palest, brownest, ugliest excuse for a super pastel I'd ever seen. And I mean UGLY. Now, while she'll never win any beauty contests, she did color up really nice once she was offered good quality food on a regular basis.

Had a mojave the same way. He was pale, washed out, almost a greenish color. He looked like he was sick. A few months later, with plenty of good food in his belly, he's starting to look like a mojave should.

Also have a fire, same thing. She'd been starved down to 400 grams at 2 years old. Pale and sickly looking, with these odd bright patches like your snakes have. Today, she eats like a horse on the healthy food I raise myself, and you'd never know she was the same snake.

So by all means do breed them. That's the only way you'll ever know for sure. But don't expect something never before seen out of them, because that will only set you up for disappointment.

Gale

I'v had them scince July and been feeding them med rats weekly that I rasie myself on mauzri rat breeder food. they havent changed a bit in color althought they put on about 800- 1000 grams.

[angeluscorpion]

Well the only way to know for sure is to breed them. It could be something cool, or it could be just a bunch of normals. I agree they do look a little odd. If nothing else I'm sure a local pet shop would take the babies off your hands if they proved to be just normal but there is always that small chance that you have a new morph hiding inside them. Either way you wouldn't have to wonder anymore, I say breed them and find out.

[TessadasExotics]

It can take years for their normal color to come back. They are not pastels. As others have said they look like normals that for what ever reason either lost or started to lose their coloring. No one really knows why some ball pythons do this color change. Some think it was something they ate, but its just speculation. Usually it is a snake that has been improperly cared for, eating who knows what and living in sub-par filthy conditions.
I say breed them if you want to. Just be prepared to get normal looking ball python hatchlings.

This is a pair that we had. The male was like this when he was imported many years ago. The female doesn't look like this any more. She has most of her color back now. It's taken here about 3 years.