thanks for the links everyone, i found a decent size bag at lowes for 5.00 bucks its about twice the size petsmart sells for 15.00. it will at least give me enough to try it out and if it works i will buy more from one of the links yall gave me. kara that sounds like what im doing i am using a 6.2 quart sterilite latch box without the lid and latches just to give him a little more humidity and another option for hiding in he still has two other regular black box type hides to hang out in if he chooses. i will try it out and see how it goes if he dont like it i will just stick to the hides and water bowl. thanks again