Thanks a lot guys this seems a great place, with great people. Im shocked no ones shot me down for not doing research. The uk forum i use is terrible for it, im usually afraid to ask anything there !! ill read that sticky now (and any others i can find) and have a good nose around. TBH last night i had done so much reading and was so tired i was just looking for a big ball python forum so i could ask my original question. If id have asked on my usual UK forum(not sure if i can mention the name here as i havent read the rules yet - ill get on the case now ) id have been shot down for rushing into things and not researching, by all the resident 'internet experts' there. this place is so refreshing so glad i found it!! Keep up the good work guys