I'm a hobby breeder. Only breeding to get the animals I want. I sell off the offspring to ad money to my nest egg for the next animal I want. But I hit all the expos I can and talk to the same venders that I see there every time. That alone has gotten me some excellent deals to help me move toward my next goal. As for breeding loans on with everyone else. It would have to be someone I trusted and known for years. I also buy animals from CL and the pet store cork board cheap and trade them to people that have things I want but are out of my cash range. But in the end get to know the right people and remember how you started when you are successful be sure to throw us little guys a bone once in a while. I sold a spider male to a friend for $75 just because I know he will return the favor when he produces his first bee next year. What comes around goes around.