What is this?!!!

[loonunit]

Oh, for heaven's sake. Now we are defending ourselves when we got called out for being fingerpointing blame faces. I'm not even convinced massaging that slug out was the wrong thing to do---a *qualified herp vet* could have done better, sure, maybe, but it was in there for over 24 hours. That's egg binding. Somebody probably had to massage that egg out, because it would have killed her in another couple of days. Don't make me link to all the places where this forum has advised some owner to palpate something out of their snake, bound eggs included. There's a good chance the friend saved the life of the spider, even if she'll never breed again. After a clutch like that, maybe she should never breed again anyway? Maybe she just wasn't built for it.

Sure, I think a vet trip NOW would be a good idea. Absolutely, I think some antibiotics would be a good idea. Yeah, I think her breeding days are over. But it sounds like maybe she simply wasn't really built quite right for breeding to begin with. IK came here asking for our opinions didn't they? I think they deserve come credit.

And it's not IK's snake, and ultimately not IK's decision. And I think IK has done the right thing, as far as they are able to.

What's done is done. We can urge IK to keep urging their friend to take that spider girl to the vet? But blaming IK is pointless. We're just driving him away. "Friendliest online community", huh? C'mon guys, we can do better.

What's done is done.

I'm frankly pretty disappointed in us right now.