In the nude! what do you think?

[sissysnakes]

So I wrote and re-wrote this thread. I said a lot of preachy things, I tried to express my opinion, and I deleted it all. 3x in fact.

So without further ado I have edited it down to this:

Skinny VS Fat..and somewhere in between; in relation to the female form both personally, media and body image, as well as recent women's empowerment campaigns.

I would love to hear everyone's opinion on this, thought I would like to keep the discussion civil and honest. If someone ruffles your feathers just try to counter with an educated response.
Thanks!

[RoseyReps]

If that is supposed to be a link it's not working for me

Edit: Nvm..I'm an idiot... >_> Will post opinion in different post...

[Mike41793]

If this takes off it should be a fun thread to say the least lmao

I think girls/women are treated very unfairly by the media and their portrayal of what a "beautiful" woman should look like. In my honest opinion i do NOT find Victoria's Secret models or other models with that "body type" attractive. The whole tall and skinny thing is weird. First of all, im only 5'10" so if i have to look up to see her then thats annoying lol. As far as the skinnyness thats fine if youre a healthy skinny, i know plenty of girls that are bc of genes or athleticism. If i can see all your ribs and bones sticking out bc youre starving yourself to be a model then thats gross. Youre not a healthy skinny, youre not athletic, you have an eating disorder and are just contributing to the inncorrect mental image of what a woman should look like according to the media in america.

[RoseyReps]

As far as my concern...there are many different approaches and situations to this topic. As far as the media, models, and etc goes..honestly I could care less what they are showing. They are all airbrushed, photo-shopped, professional make-up / hair etc. It is fantasy, not reality. I tell my girls that as well. I show them on the computer how much you can change an image, and how that image is no longer "real" (we give animals different parts, like unicorn horns etc). I let them know that those women, are real women, but the pictures are not real anymore. What irritates me more than the media and models in magazines is toys. And no, I don't mean Barbie. I mean those toys called BRATZ dolls that make thug and gangster style clothes seem cool, and being snotty seem "ok". Not only do they have giant heads, big eyes with insane amounts of make up, and fat lips (duck faces...duck faces everywhere) but they glorify being a rude little snot ball. Grinds my gears man.

Now, enough with the parent talk...

As far as women empowerment...honestly I think most of it is a crock. Do I think women should get paid the same as men if they are doing the exact same job with the exact same output? yes. Do I think a woman should be paid the same as a man, when the man is doing a better job? Hell no. Would I expect to be paid the same at a construction site as a man when I can only lift about 40lbs? Nope. Do I think that's sexist? Nope. That's work. If I can't do the job as well as whomever else, then I don't deserve the same amount of money as that person. We ARE different. Men and women, and people trying to say we are not are just putting blinders on. Are there some extraordinary women that can out bench most men? You betcha. But say you had the same level of extraordinary man doing the same benching as the woman...guess who's going to win that strength competition... It's not insulting, it's biology.

Body image is everyone's personal opinion. Some people prefer big women, some people prefer tiny, some prefer in the middle. There's nothing right or wrong about any choice, there is majority vs minority of opinion..but no wrong or right. If 80% of the population's favorite color is blue...does that mean the people who like green are wrong?

Maybe I don't expose myself to enough social media to get all fired up about what they are showing celebs doing etc...I'm sorry, I just don't give 2 poops about what celebs are doing, or wearing, or saying... I make my own decisions on what to wear, how to act, where to eat and how I like my hair.

I like being small, and if and when I gain weight, I will work to be small again. Not because I think big women aren't pretty, but because I know how I want to look. If that makes me shallow, then I guess I'm shallow. I want to be comfortable in my own skin. If my husband puts on 50lbs I would still think he's a sexy beast. If he wants to work out and diet, that's fine too. If either of us got unhealthily large, we would help each other get back to a safe area.

To sum it up...

women and men are different, everyone should be judged on their ability to do their job, or school, rather than race, gender etc
attractiveness is a matter of opinion
the media doesn't effect my way of life or thoughts
I couldn't care less about celebs, models etc
I like being small
I like cake

[lefty]

Without getting too up or down on the media portrayal of women(cuz that would turn in to a rant), I will just say that women look best when they have some curves. Not meant in a pervy way either. I just mean that I don't want to be able to count ribs or see hip bones, etc.

As, the father of two young daughters, both of whom dance ballet, and both of whom are thin and quite psychically fit from dancing ballet, I find it sad and disturbing how many times a day they are told by someone (namely some random boys) at school how they are fat. And how they are actually worried that it's true.
That is a direct result of the crap on TV and in movies and other print media showing certain women looking a certain way that frankly is quite unrealistic and unhealthy for must normal people.


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[Mike41793]

Omg some of the teenage girls at my work we hire are ridiculous. Im not sure if its a coincidence or not but the guys we hire are way better workers. These chicks we bring in have zero work ethic and cant ever hope to get paid the same as a man at a real job if he's working harder than them. Although most of my generation is pretty lazy anyways so who knows. What you get paid should be based off of how hard of a worker you are and how good you are at the job rather than your sex/race/age.

[Freakie_frog]

Personally, I just like women don't really have a preferance
Media, is a poor measue of what a woman should be.
Body image, has more to do with what,who and how a woman is taught to look for the measure of woman's body

[KMG]

Rosey,

It is refreshing to see someone with that realistic view. I work in a male dominated profession and hate hearing a tiny 4 foot nothing 90 pound girl say she is the same on my job. I have no problem working with a women a long as she can do the work. I feel the same about a guy of the same stature. It's frustrating to do your work and pick up the slack of another for the same pay.

Now the topic at hand.

I don't see what the media or Hollywood calls beautiful as that. My fiance used to record the Victoria Secret fashion show for me thinking I would enjoy it and thought it weird when I told her I would pass.

Now my inter caveman.

I like a curvy girl that does not look like she needs someone to buy her a cheeseburger. A girl under 5-5 with a muscular athletic build. I also love a women with a top and bottom that stick out. Skinny girls have never really done it for me and I will choose a girl with meat on her bones everytime.

Put girls with meat on their bones in the fashion shows and I bet their ratings would rise. I know I would watch.

On the other side.

I do think that men and women are now really having the issue of to much meat. Our nation is becoming fat and the amount of children that are obese is concerning. People need to educate themselves and their children and try to lead healthy lives. Big may be beautiful but that does not mean it is healthy. I Think the movie Wall-E might have an accurate portrayal of our future. Everybody riding hovering chairs with no bones.

[gsarchie]

Wait, so unicorns aren't real!?

I do like women to be very fit, but that doesn't only mean skinny. There is a female soldier that I work with right now that has fairly developed lats and some of the guys call her a guy. She is incredibly fit and I find her very attractive. I also can appreciate a woman that is more thin without a lot of muscle tone, and I've dated women with that body type, and within that body type women that were both well endowed in the chest and that weren't. I feel that the reason that I won't walk up to an unfit (or overweight) female and strike up a conversation is because you can't see a lot of the features that we as humans look for in the opposite sex, and I'll go into that in depth here.

For me I believe that it is a matter of what we as humans look for in potential mates (here is the evolutionary biologist coming out). Men and women alike are biologically inclined to look at the oppostie sex in terms of what they have to offer us (genetically speaking). A man with strong, symmetrical features is genetically healthy and women find this attractive. For men, we find things that are femenine attractive, especially larger breasts, as they will be able to provide life giving milk to any potential offspring, and this is again a result of good genetics. Keep in mind that this "assessment of potential mates" happens in a few seconds when we see a member of the opposite sex for the first time.

Ultimately, I've dated skinnier girls, but most of my girlfriends have been between 5'6" and 5'8" and not skinny. They are athletic and have meat on their bones (and by meat I mean muscle, not fat), and on average wiegh in at around 140-150 pounds. This is what I personally find attractive, and I won't go into media because I can't stand the idiocy that is main stream media. I don't even own a TV!

[MrLang]

I'm short (5'7"), so I like girls that are shorter than I am. I've tried to be the big spoon when the little spoon was bigger than me. It's mechanically frustrating.

The media is a joke. The influence on youth and body image is quite unfortunate. I'd write a book if I started on this topic. It makes women who are desirable to decent men think that they're inadequate and they become envious of women that just plain suck, to put it simply. You don't want a guy who wants a body, you want a guy who wants you. You can sit and laugh and mock at the women who think otherwise and devote their energy to it once you make this realization. That's the kind of girl that's attractive to me.

More importantly is the idea that people are envious of things they simply should not be envious of. Those people end up on TV and magazines because they're entertaining, not because they're higher value than anyone else. Do you know what kind of guy creates a happy relationship with one of those snotty, duck lipped, drama-loving, clown-painted women? I've been friends with some of them. You don't want them.

That was my realization recently. Only in the last few years (I'm 26 now) did my brain change its version of what is attractive to me. Personality is much more attractive than physical form. Post-realization I'd say my only physical requirements are that a girl look healthy. Too skinny and too heavy, too much make-up or too nice of clothes, too baggy of clothes, etc are all signs of personality flaws. I'll pass on those, too.

All that said, I do prefer women with a healthy grip to them. I want them to be soft, but to still be able to identify muscle and bone beneath. Man that sounds weird to put in such... scientific terms lol