Where do you fall on the homozygous spider spectrum?

[snakesRkewl]

Personally I hope a super form is never found.
The market is pretty well flooded with spiders and spider combo's, if there were super spiders then spiders might be worth what a normal is and combo's would plummet in price.

No?

[OhhWatALoser]

Personally I hope a super form is never found.
The market is pretty well flooded with spiders and spider combo's, if there were super spiders then spiders might be worth what a normal is and combo's would plummet in price.

No?

I would think the opposite, if we found out there it wasn't homozygous lethal, there might be new interest in them. I mean there's already a proven pinstripe, daddy gene, and congo and you don't see them going for normal prices.

[stickyalvinroll]

so does anyone have a picture of a super pinstripe?

[youbeyouibei]

I'm not a big fan of spiders and my focus is on other projects. Some of their combos are visually appealing animals but with the neuro issues and the overabundance of the base morph on the market, I don't have any interest in working with them or trying to prove anything regarding their genetics. Each to their own and if the spider genetics are in the Flatline, welllllll...it won't be the first or the last time I'll eat crow if that's the case, lol!

[snakesRkewl]

I would think the opposite, if we found out there it wasn't homozygous lethal, there might be new interest in them. I mean there's already a proven pinstripe, daddy gene, and congo and you don't see them going for normal prices.

Please show us where some proof of these homozygous dominate snakes are, you know just like anything else, pictures or it didn't happen.
Call me a skeptic until actual real proof is shown, Has Brian shown pictures of multiple clutches of eggs with all pinstripes in them, or are we still hiding the evidence and expecting people to believe it on his word?

My statement on the price of spiders and pins was based on the fact that if any of these mutations actually gets spread into the hobby the amount of spiders/pinstripes would be so great as to plummet their prices.
Oh wait, that's already being done...and we don't have any homozygous dominate trait in the hobby "that we know of".
Supply is already outstripping demand, how would making all spiders in a clutch or all pinstripes in a clutch help the hobby?

Rickys_Reptiles
I have heard several stories of people breeding spider to a normal and only getting spiders. Good odds, or supers

Not good odds or supers, just rumors until someone actually shows proof.
No pics, just rumors, that's all it ever is.

I'm open to the idea that any of these homozygous mutations might exist BUT SHOW ME THE PROOF

[loonunit]

I'm working with pieds, and the spider gene simply isn't my favorite pied combo. I admit, I do also feel pretty terrible every time I see a spider wobble. BUT... I might be lending out my axanthic female to a zebra bee project this year. That'll be my first foray into working with spiders.

I'm still pretty unlikely to ever breed for homozygous spiders. I've already got a lot going on with the pied projects, and I'd much rather sit and wait until we have more information about the health of the homozygous babies.

[WingedWolfPsion]

Please show us where some proof of these homozygous dominate snakes are, you know just like anything else, pictures or it didn't happen.

They do look just like heterozygous pinstripes...so you might have seen photos already, lol.

Supply is already outstripping demand, how would making all spiders in a clutch or all pinstripes in a clutch help the hobby?

On what planet is supply outstripping demand for spiders? I have no problems selling any spider I put up for sale, quickly. The morph is still extremely popular, and it's a favorite among beginning breeders, since it's affordable.

When you can't sell a morph for the price of a normal, then you can say supply is outstripping demand.

Even the supply of normal ball pythons is NOT outstripping the demand for them. In spite of the thousands of captive-hatch babies imported from Africa, I still have 0 problems selling out my normals every year, and I actually sell them out before I sell out my morphs. I've never had a year where I had left over normals.

[OhhWatALoser]

Please show us where some proof of these homozygous dominate snakes are, you know just like anything else, pictures or it didn't happen.
Call me a skeptic until actual real proof is shown, Has Brian shown pictures of multiple clutches of eggs with all pinstripes in them, or are we still hiding the evidence and expecting people to believe it on his word?

I'm open to the idea that any of these homozygous mutations might exist BUT SHOW ME THE PROOF

Proof? here you go http://www.bhbreptiles.com/main.aspx?Page=contact get it straight him. what he will tell you is is he breed a pin to a pin, got a male from that, that male ended up fathering 27 eggs, all of them pinstripe. chances of a heterozygous animal doing that are 1 in 134,217,728. He never thought to take pictures it looked like any other pinstripe, or if he has them he doesn't know if it is the homozygous or not, the hobby wasn't like it is now back then. Besides what would be the point of taking pictures of clutches? want to play conspiracy theorist? he can just take out the normals and take picture of pins, or take multiple clutches and put all the pins in one picture. really doesn't "prove" a whole lot when you want to call someone a liar, you are always going to find a way to pick something apart. Brian never announced homozygous pinstripe exists. all he did is tell people his results to people who asked him directly. We took his results and made a conclusion.

and here is a no doubt 100% proven homozygous dominant trait, http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi...thons_8_07.asp clutch 76. pictures and everything for you. unless RD is a liar also.

and i was going to send you a link to vin russos results with the congo gene, but he apparently has changed his site. guess ill do this crazy thing and email him about it

If the proof isn't good enough for you, sorry your out of luck.

[MarkS]

In spite of the thousands of captive-hatch babies imported from Africa, I still have 0 problems selling out my normals every year, and I actually sell them out before I sell out my morphs. I've never had a year where I had left over normals.

This exactly, I used to wonder why it always seems to work this way. I think most people buying a ball python as a pet really don't care that much about the morphs at first, that interest comes later. Initially I think they're more interested in the price and normals are always the least expensive.

[snakesRkewl]

so the search continues for actual proof....I will not ask Brian to prove anything.
As a breeder who take pictures of everything, why wouldn't Brian take pictures of his clutches, especially something like this where a pinstripe produces nothing but pinstripes?
I guess we only have his word for it, the search for proof continues...

and here is a no doubt 100% proven homozygous dominant trait, http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/bi...thons_8_07.asp clutch 76. pictures and everything for you. unless RD is a liar also.

RDR produced 1 animal from a 4 egg clutch platty X platty and that somehow proves something??
Please explain how 1 baby snake proves a homozygous dominate trait?
Did I miss something there?

The supply is larger than the demand which is why pinstripes and spiders are so inexpensive. Supply and demand always dictates price, bring on the homozygous spiders and pins and those morphs will most likely be sold at the same price as normals, or very close.

If the proof isn't good enough for you, sorry your out of luck.

I just ask for evidence, not words, actual proof.