Question about pairing female with multi sires

[M&H]

The snakes:

Male - poss het albino het pied
Female - poss het albino het pied
Female - poss het albino het pied
Male - albino
Female - 100% het albino

Obviously this is an albino pied project.
I think the pairing should be:

albino male x het albino female

poss het albino male x (2) poss het albino females


My girlfriend thinks that we should do

albino male x het albino female (then follow up the the poss het male)

poss het albino male x (2) poss het albino females (the follow up with the visual albino)


What do you guys think? As of right now we do not have a visual pied or a 100% het pied, but looking into picking one up although not sure if we should look for a male or female. Everyone will be ready to go next breeding season, just doing our planning now.

[MrLang]

Wait... this isn't that other thread?!

[M&H]

Wait... this isn't that other thread?!

That one was why people double sire, which coincided with a conversation that I had yesterday. That post inspired me to write this one to see what other people thought. I didn't want to hijack that thread so I made a new one.

[satomi325]

I wouldn't even bother pairing up the possible het male until the possible girls are 100% proven. Just breed the visual albino male to confirm whether or not the girls are hets. Once they are, then go ahead and pair up the possible male the season after.

And by breeding the visual albino, at least you can sell the babies as 100% het albinos compared to possible het albino or normals from the possible het male.

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[joebad976]

I take it you would like to hit an Albino Pied since you have the possible double hets. I would not breed the male possible double and purchase a 100% Poss DH male and breed him to both females. This way you can at least prove them out possibly and maybe hit a visual Pied, Albino, or Albino Pied. Long process but that is the fun part with recessive genes.

The other pairing sounds good.

I would not recommend multiple sires in this scenario would get too confusing.

[Annarose15]

Are all of your poss het albinos also possible het pied, or 100% pied? If they are 100% het pied, I would go with the first scenario. This would allow you to at least shoot for pieds while trying to prove the albino in the trio. Or, save up for an albino het pied male for next year. I agree that dual sires could get too confusing.

[Andybill]

I wouldn't even bother pairing up the possible het male until the possible girls are 100% proven. Just breed the visual albino male to confirm whether or not the girls are hets. Once they are, then go ahead and pair up the possible male the season after.

And by breeding the visual albino, at least you can sell the babies as 100% het albinos compared to possible het albino or normals from the possible het male.

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This is my exact thoughts....

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Since your ultimate goal is Albino Pied here is what I would do.

Male - poss het albino het pied

I would not waste my time with this male, proving out a possible het male is only valuable is the Poss Het male has a high value, a DH Albino Pied will run you $200.

If you try to prove out that male with possible females it could take you YEARS and a lot of space which is something you need to consider (Cash vs time spent, disappointment, raising and feeding multiple animals)

As for double sired clutch I would not do it with recessive males.

[angllady2]

I share these sentiments. Pairing your only possibly het albino male doesn't make much sense. You may not hit the odds the first season, and it could take years of pairings to find out if any of them are het albino.

Breed your visual to all three females, and do your best to prove the het albino thing. Once it is established one or both of your possible het females really are het albino, then it will be fairly easy to establish the het pied part. It's entirely possible by then you may even have a 100% double het, or even better a visual pied male het albino.

You don't specify the percentage of possible het for the snakes. Are they 66% possible? 50% possible, less than that ?

The double recessive thing is a long process, no matter which way you go.

Unless of course, you start out breeding a double recessive to another double recessive, in which case making more double recessive becomes fairly easy.

Gale

[M&H]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

They are both 66% double het for albino and pied

Long story short we know a breeder who has been working on the albino pied project for a few years. He has made albinos, pieds, and finally hit the odds and made an albino pied. Sadly it died (not genetic related) and they decided it wasn't in the cards for them and have been slowly selling off that project. We got a 1.2 set for $150 and they were his personal hold backs and only selling them off cause we were interested.

They all have super nice pied markers and they look similar to the female 100% het albino we already have. (I know there are no albino markers and that not all pied markers work out.) However for $150 and females are already 500+ grams we figured it was something we couldn't pass up on. Figured even if they were only het for albino or pied it was money well spent.