The Sad Side to Breeding (Graphic)

[jsmorphs2]

We had our first major deformities "hatch". Clutch #9 of the season was a female Spider x male Pied. She gave us 3 "good" eggs, a boob that went bad and a slug. About a month into incubation we candled the eggs and one embryo just didn't look right. Yesterday we cut the clutch on day 55 and found one severely deformed baby that we decided euthanized right away and, after checking on them today, a second one with out eyes. The third seems to be ok.


Deformed baby -





In this picture you can see where the vent is on the lower left side




Baby that is still in the egg with out eyes -






We're not sure what the future holds for the eye-less hatchling but we'll definitely give it a chance. The little guy is alert and flicking it's tongue. I don't believe this to be an incubation issue as we had a perfectly healthy clutch come out last week.

[4Ballz]

there is someone on here with an older eyeless bp. it seems to be doing well, so I would say keep it. but, it's up to you.

[jsmorphs2]

there is someone on here with an older eyeless bp. it seems to be doing well, so I would say keep it. but, it's up to you.

Thanks, I'll look it up. I also remember seeing a video of one eating just fine.

[DooLittle]

Yes, Angllady2 has an eyeless adult. That is alive and well. Poor little guy, sorry about your loss. Hope your little eyeless guy thrives and does well for you!

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[heathers*bps]

We have an eyeless burm that hatched out last month, and he is eating just as well as his two eyed siblings. I've this one a chance, you'll be amazed at how well s/he might do. It would make someone an amazing pet, for sure.

I'm sorry to hear about the deformed baby. Is this a female you have bred before? How about the male? Might be something genetic with either of them, but no way to know for sure unless you breed them again.

[1nstinct]

Sorry about the babies.
Question about babies with no eyes. When people say they have a no eyed baby, and it's eating and making a great pet. Why could you not breed it if it was a healthy snake? Would the offspring be at a greater risk to have no eyes as well? Just wondering.

[sissysnakes]

I saw an eyeless STP not long ago, the owner said it was doing well and eating like a champ. I wouldnt mind taking him off your hands lol

[Vasiliki]

Sorry about the babies.
Question about babies with no eyes. When people say they have a no eyed baby, and it's eating and making a great pet. Why could you not breed it if it was a healthy snake? Would the offspring be at a greater risk to have no eyes as well? Just wondering.

I would think so. It could be due to problems with the egg itself, or it could be genetic. Why take the risk? Especially since abnormalities are something all breeders should try their best to remove from the gene pool. In fact, if that pairing were to throw anymore clutches similar to this, I would also think of retiring the pair if they were mine (Not saying you should!)

It's just a risk, and not worth it.

[jsmorphs2]

We have an eyeless burm that hatched out last month, and he is eating just as well as his two eyed siblings. I've this one a chance, you'll be amazed at how well s/he might do. It would make someone an amazing pet, for sure.

I'm sorry to hear about the deformed baby. Is this a female you have bred before? How about the male? Might be something genetic with either of them, but no way to know for sure unless you breed them again.

This was the first time these two were paired up. The male gave us 10 perfect babies from an earlier clutch this year but last season the female gave us a clutch of two "boob" eggs and a few slugs. The babies were ok though very small. However the tiny one didn't thrive and ended up dieing. But the other was a fire spider which is doing great today.

We are going to give this girl a year off then have to make the tough decision to try breeding her again or not. We won't pair these two up again either. She is a beautiful spider but it's not worth it if she produces unhealthy babies.

Sorry about the babies.
Question about babies with no eyes. When people say they have a no eyed baby, and it's eating and making a great pet. Why could you not breed it if it was a healthy snake? Would the offspring be at a greater risk to have no eyes as well? Just wondering.

I wouldn't breed it due to the chance it would pass on the deformity. We will most likely sell the healthy one from this clutch as a "pet only".

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Thanks, I'll look it up. I also remember seeing a video of one eating just fine.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Reptiles/page2

And Sloan Reptiles Albino spinner which seems to be doing good https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...11597588_o.jpg