Espresso Project... finally proving out?

[Matty]

I guess I should begin with some back-story on this project that we purchased from another breeder who unfortunately had to give up the hobby for personal reasons. The previous breeder bought a dark female and in 2006 she produced a clutch with a pastel male. An odd looking female came out of the egg, which he dubbed the mother an "Espresso".

Original Mom:



Here's the odd female produced:

With clutchmates:


Here she is now all grown up:



He was never able to reproduce the combo and even we tried with the same parents. We got the daughter to breed with a Mojave and got 4 so/so eggs that I swear weren't going to go full term which they did! We got 2 Pastaves in the clutch and 2 other surprises...

Espresso male: (Resembles a Cinnamon, only further breeding will tell.)


Espresso x Pastel x Mojave - "Pastavo":



Looks like we got more questions to figure out than answers lol.

Thanks for looking!

Matt @ The Brass Gecko

[LotsaBalls]

Was the original female a virgin? Could she have been with a pewter?

[Mike41793]

Was the original female a virgin? Could she have been with a pewter?

My exact first thought too... She looks pewter-ish imo

[Matty]

Was the original female a virgin? Could she have been with a pewter?

The breeder didn't have a Pewter, or cinnamons. This was the Sire of the clutch:

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The Father was a CB Pastel, the mother was a store bought normal.

[LotsaBalls]

The breeder didn't have a Pewter, or cinnamons. This was the Sire of the clutch:




The Father was a CB Pastel, the mother was a store bought normal.

[LotsaBalls]

So the same pairing was done with no success in reproducing the pewter looking or a cinnamon looking offspring. How old was the female when she was purchased? FYI I'm not trying to disprove the project, just looking at the simplest answer first.

[Matty]

The original female was purchased in 1997, not sure of the age... younger, not breeding size I assume. The offspring was produced in 2006, I doubt any sperm retention would last 9 years lol.

[zach_24_90]

Whatever it is there is no denying that pastavo is definitely more than a regular pastave. So good luck looking forward to seeing more.

[rdoyle]

Espresso x Pastel x Mojave - "Pastavo":

is hot

[WingedWolfPsion]

I absolutely love the look of that 'pastavo', and I'd love to see how he ages. Such a crisp look!

However, I have to say, that pastel sire doesn't look entirely ordinary to me, and neither does the female pastel that produced these. I think there is, at least, a chance that they are both pewters.