First Deformity (Graphic)

[Mike41793]

Why does Ralph Davis freeze for euthanasia? Everyone says that it's inhumane. Anyone know why?

Fill your bathtub with ice and get in it. See how long you can sit in it for. Thats what its like to freeze to death...

[Rob]

Fill your bathtub with ice and get in it. See how long you can sit in it for. Thats what its like to freeze to death...

I actually do that.....good for muscle recovery lol

[aalomon]

The difference is you would eventually drift off and die in your sleep. Reptiles stay conscious and can literally feel their body freezing.

[Domepiece]

I just had my first deformity as well. From a fire to a normal, 10 eggs, 9 healthy babies one very kinked. I'll post pics as soon as it comes out of the egg, it looks fine and completely developed but kinked to all hell.

[MorphMaster]

Fill your bathtub with ice and get in it. See how long you can sit in it for. Thats what its like to freeze to death...

Right, but why does he still do that? Also how can anyone say the snake feels itself freezing? If you aren't the snake how do you know?

[aalomon]

There have been studies done on this. If they are conscious do you think its safer to assume they cant feel anything? Why risk it?

By crushing the head there is no chance the animal is still able to feel pain. Why would you want to try something that risks them feeling pain?

[MorphMaster]

Have you ever crushed your head?!!! I understand that I'd feel it, but you have to understand that if my head was crushed, my heart wouldn't be beating hours later. Who's to say that it still doesn't feel? I know it's a touchy subject, and I don't mean to sound insensitive. I just don't like the ignorance that's all. There is a very pronounced guy that freezes. So, for my first question, why does Ralph Davis freeze for euthanasia?

[aalomon]

Have you ever crushed your head?!!! I understand that I'd feel it, but you have to understand that if my head was crushed, my heart wouldn't be beating hours later. Who's to say that it still doesn't feel? I know it's a touchy subject, and I don't mean to sound insensitive. I just don't like the ignorance that's all. There is a very pronounced guy that freezes. So, for my first question, why does Ralph Davis freeze for euthanasia?

If the brain matter is destroyed then there is nothing left in the body that can interpret those electrical signals as pain. It cannot still feel because the part of it that does interpret pain (the brain) has been destroyed. If your hand was cut off and someone hooked electrodes to your hand, you wouldnt feel your hand jerk because it is not connected to your brain.

As to why Ralph Davis still freezes, you would have to ask him. If you ask a herp veterinarian, you would get this:

"Unfortunately, the myth that freezing herps is a good way to put them down persists. It almost makes sense, being that reptiles and amphibians are “cold-blooded”, but in fact, this adaptation makes this procedure even worse for them. This is because as they get cold, they become torporous, that is, alert mentally but unable to move or respond. This is in contrast to mammals, which become unable to move, but also become mentally dull and comatose as they become hypothermic. As a result, reptiles and amphibians can feel their body get cold, which produces pain, but they can do nothing about it. Studies show that they can, literally, feel their cells freeze and rupture as they get further chilled, sensing pain as intensely as if they were being burned alive, but unable to move or respond."

http://www.pnwhs.org/Articles/Freezi...orm-euthanasia

[MorphMaster]

Okay thank you. All I wanted was proof. Now I know and I appreciate the article. I am sorry for what you had to do, but I'm inquisitive I suppose. It's like how I don't get that dogs can't see colors. How do you truly know? It sounds like an anesthetic should be used to prevent pain though. Unless killed within a tenth of a second. Thanks for the info

[aalomon]

Thats why I believe crushing is the best. It takes less than a second.

As for dogs being color blind, they are not 100% color blind. Cones in your eyes allow you to see color. The more cones, the better you see color. The area of a humans eye that has the most cones is 100%, a dogs highest concentration is 20%. By human standards, they are color blind.