if u keep in mind that a fair deal is 10-15% off anytime you wheel and deal and most people wont be insulted by that. if you are trying for like 20+% off good luck because it doesnt happen as often and you may upset someone. and then if the person isnt willing to budge you need to make a choice. either still go for it, or walk. I have had it go either way. I made good deals and other times the price was set as is. I tried for a little off but they didnt budge and I still got the snake. its always worth a shot.
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