VMS has never wiggled on their prices for me at all and I have purchased from them multiple times. Otherwise, I have NEVER had a herp breeder/dealer not budge when I have brought up the issue. I usually end up paying 10% less that what was asked, whether it be knocking off a bit for buying multiple animals, insisting that the breeder pay for shipping, etc. People may say firm but when they see you and your money start to walk away that will usually trigger a response of some sort.