[Rumor time] BP Economy taking a dive soon??

[adamjeffery]

the market isnt crashing its changing. you have to realize, that while single gene morphs prices are dropping , their perspective markets are as well. once an animal hits a certain price point it can enter into the "normal" pet trade. so you wont be getting 1000 bucks for your pastel. you can sell 10 pastels for 400 bucks to a pet store. so if your producing the less expensive animals then in order to make money at it you must produce a lot of animals. or like most of us we only produce enough to cover our own costs and to trade up or create the more expensive morphs for our selves.
i started breeding snakes 12-15 years ago just to produce more animals for ME. i never even thought about making money at it. once you cross that bridge you will sorely disappointed unless you have gobs of money and time to go BIG.
adam jeffery

[carlisleishere]

Exactly WHERE did you see that? Did they have paperwork? I would certainly be suspicious of a het pied female being sold for the price of a normal...why would anyone do that, if it was legitimate? If they had an emergency, and couldn't sell her quick, then perhaps...but that's a one-off situation, not a trend.

If they have legit paperwork and there are more of them, I'll take them. lol

I saw about 4 of them for sale, by different people. All of them had awesome feedback, but you never know... 250 for a proven het female is insane.

[Andybill]

I am fairly new to this hobby and I plan to breed my animals. Where it takes me is all in the stars however I spend a lot of time looking at MANY different sites for available morphs. It would seem the market is just fine considering theres almost nothing available right now because its kind of the like the eye of the storm as far as 2012 hatchlings becoming available soon but the 2011s being nearly sold out everywhere. I imagine it is more of a breeder network sales concept. Breeders supply breeders/upcoming breeders whether they do it for themselves or they aspire to be the next big breeder. There are still numerous possibilities and as long as there are I just dont see it taking a nose dive anytime soon...

[WingedWolfPsion]

I saw about 4 of them for sale, by different people. All of them had awesome feedback, but you never know... 250 for a proven het female is insane.

Seriously, where did you see this?

[USNHM242]

I think we might see a slight reduction in the bp market as we do every 3-4yrs....then it will pick back up. What I think we will see, is the resurgence in the boa market.

[gsarchie]

I have been keeping balls since January of 2008 and herps in general for even longer. I have NEVER seen a "crash" in the ball market or any other herp's market as a whole. I have however seen the "crash" of a given morph within a species. Leopard geckos and the RAPTOR, Enigma and Diablo Blanco morphs are a few examples and the motley morph of Boa constrictor is another.

Some on here have suggested that they do think we are in a slump hobbywise, and that when the economy recovers the demand will again be greater than the supply. I for one have never seen demand outpace supply in this hobby nor do I believe that it ever will. Even last month and now, before there were any or many 2012 hatchlings out, Kingsnake.com's classified section had at least 100 new ball ads posted every day, meaning that supply is doing just fine. I've yet to feel any effects of this recession on my life in general either, but that is neither here nor there.

I have breeding plans, as well as plans for acquiring new snakes and breeding them as well, but it is for my own enjoyment and not for any kind of monetary gain. I love new life and raising things from birth. I love the perverbial "roll of the dice" when dealing with genetics. I love eggs hatching and waiting to see what you've got when they start pipping. Even though I own and produce higher end stuff I still don't even expect to break even - not even close. In my honest opinion, this hobby is going nowhere. This is coming from a guy who has looked at thousands of ads and for sale listings a year for the last 5 years and has watched prices drop on older morphs while new morphs all start at around the $20,000 range.

My $0.02, take it for what you personally feel that it is worth.

[domenge]

Well put^

Thanks everyone for not fighting I think this is the only forum I've been to where people dont bash every second (car forums are ridiculous!!) All these opinions and .02 were great to read!