But these guys weren't pushing at all. They were just running their chins along the lid. I have of course seen that kind of behavior from a snake trying to escape, but that really wasn't what these guys were doing.

The spider of course I understand doing it, he does it all the time during feeding or when he gets stressed out. It's just a typical spider thing. What floors me is the vanilla doing it too.

I wish now I had taken a video of it, except I don't know how to do that with my phone yet.

Gale