Thanks for the response. I've seen enough about pre lay to know it was consistant, just was wondering if pre ovy was as reliable. My daughter and her friend have both been bitten by the BP bug and are trying their first go at breeding. They have had their snakes lock a few times now. The female has been bowl wrapping and staying on the cool side. About two weeks ago she refused a meal and has stopped eating (which she has never done previously) and now she just finished shedding Wednesday. It all seems to be progressing in the right direction. I was just kind of hoping for a countdown, but I guess they'll just have to watch and wait for an ovy like everyone else. Good luck with what ever you may have cooking this season.