a little help picking a herp for my daughter

[Jabberwocky Dragons]

I hadn't heard that issue about the tile. I know it's pretty well the standard recommendation at a couple beardie forums though. No personal experience to really comment one way or the other.

Tile is often recommended with newspaper or some sort of substrate covering it. Tile has zero absorbency so the mess spreads out further and the dragons run through it, easily smearing themselves. It's extremely unsanitary and you would need a gallon of chloro a week for the tiles and daily baths to clean the dragons! Tubs are very easy to clean but bp owners still line them with an absorptive substrate such as newspaper or aspen.

I concur with the classic 3 beginner pets: beardies, leos, and corns. You really can't go wrong with any of them. If a single beardie is really too much work and a pet rock isn't appealing, I would suggest a Beta fish which probably has the least onerous upkeep of any animal.

[BFE Pets]

What was it about the beardie that she found to be too much work? Beardies are fairly low maintenance and a good beginner herp. If she found a beardie too much work, she will probably find other species to be the same. The only other type that comes to mind is maybe a Blue Tongue Skink. Though, they are about the same work if not more than a beardie.

she gives them fresh veggies/greens 2x a day spot cleans the cage daily + fresh water daily, worms and crickets 3x a week and her thought is its more work than the enjoyment shes getting out of them. it takes her 15 minutes to get the male calmed down when she gets him out to play with him. maybe its just him cuz the female is chilled 24/7 thanks for your imput.

[Jabberwocky Dragons]

15 min is a little long for a male to calm down. They are very tranquil and easy to handle normally so he may not enjoy being handled. Is she 100% set on a lizard? Most species are going to require daily food, water, and spot cleaning. A snake would be much less upkeep and it sounds like a tame bp or corn would be much more enjoyable to handle than the male beardie.

[whispersinmyhead]

I used ceramic tiles with my Beardie with some texture for traction and it was awesome. Very easy cleanup. I would just wipe, spray, and wipe again. I had mine grouted into a wooden enclosure and the grout sealed with waterbased sealant. That was better than loose tiles because the poop and urates/liquids would end up underneath. The loose tiles were in a glass terrarium.

[sleepygeckos]

And I personally have never met a mean crested or Leo. Even in "mating frustration".

I didn't believe it either, but come say "Hi" sometime to the girl in my avatar... I had a beautiful look at her tooth layout two years ago - unfortunately, it was in my own blood on my hand. Never in my dreams did I think a crestie could draw blood, but to quote my husband, "She becomes a pitbull trained to not let go." We both about went insane when she bit him the first time earlier - we had never heard anything like this. Thankfully we don't live far from the CrestedGecko.com guys and they finally gave us the answers for her behavior. It has been a huge source of frustration for us and has turned me off of getting any cresties in the near future.

[BFE Pets]

15 min is a little long for a male to calm down. They are very tranquil and easy to handle normally so he may not enjoy being handled. Is she 100% set on a lizard? Most species are going to require daily food, water, and spot cleaning. A snake would be much less upkeep and it sounds like a tame bp or corn would be much more enjoyable to handle than the male beardie.

thanks for the input. ive been trying to convince her to look at different snakes because of the ease of care and she likes some of the bp morphs but says she can play with the ones she likes of mine whenever she wants and the same for the wifes geckos. shes set on finding her own niche and wants something unusual in the lizard arena. after the advice from all of you (thank you all very much!) i've learned its not so much the level of maintanence that is the problem. its more of the male beardies attitude and the fact that they aren't exactly what she was looking for. She is still doing research on different lizards and is starting to narrow the field down to under a dozen to take a better look at.

[sleepygeckos]

If that's the case, I wonder if something like an anole might interest her? I've never kept them, but at least they are small and different than a snake or gecko and very common - easy to buy. Just a random thought.

[Anatopism]

I'm getting lost with what is a requirement/preference. If she wants an easy pet she wont hold frequently, and more for looking at, she has a lot more options (several species of tarantulas come to mind as far as ease of care). If she wants something she can handle regularly, but is also easy... aside from those already mentioned, you don't have many options for lizards. If she is open to snakes, well obviously, she has quite a few more options as well, since a lot of snakes are also perfectly docile if not handled regularly, and there are lots that are very low maintenance.

[Evenstar]

Just want to add, as I noticed in your original post that you asked about a few species of monitors, that NO monitor is going to be "easy" and they are definitley not a beginner lizard. There are a few, a very few such as ackies, that make a decent "beginner monitor" but they are not beginner lizards and I would never recommend one for a child.

Your best bet, honestly, is to either stick with the beardies (maybe even consider placing the male with someone else??) or look at cresteds or one additional suggestion would be a rhinocerous iguana.

Rhino iguanas get very large, but they are known for being exceptionally docile and easy going. They are strictly vegetarians (no crickets!) and their care is simple (about equal to a beardie which is about as basic as you can get for a lizard) and the only real 2 downsides are that they are not particularly pretty and they do need a large enclosure (they get bigger than the average green iguana). But they have super temperaments which more than makes up for their somewhat drab appearance! Just a thought....