Interesting thread. So here my 2 cents. Rob totaly argee there is no way in hell you can place the same value of a pet life compared that of a human being. I don't think people understand until they look into there new born babys eyes that they automatically become a part of you. There is nothing I would not do for my kid and I mean nothing. I've heard from the younger people saying they will never change there minds but as the saying goes "never say never". I was not the same person ant 19 that I am now. When I was that age there was no way in hell I should have had kids but when I got a little older and met my wife settled down and matured things changed for me. Now I am not saying they will for everybody and for those people I agree don't have kids. But all I have heard from most is the negative. People have said they stink there expensive there noisy there unrully etc.. lucky for you your parents did not feel the same way. The positive far out weighs the negative. As far as kids misbehaving its the parents faults kids are products of there environment bad parents bad kids . I have also heard that you can't discipline you kids they way you want to...BS you can. Beating the crap out of them no but you can spank the choice is up to the parent. If you don't believe me check with C P S. or local law enforcement. Just my opinions here. But for those who chose not to have kids good for you you should not bring kids into this world that won't revive 100% of you or your love and if people don't see that tell them to piss up a rope.