Corrugated wrap as substrate? Thoughts?

[kitedemon]

I have never used it so people with experience with this would know better but corrugated cardboard is a good insulator does the wrap effect the temps if you are using UTHs? That would be my concern past that it seems like a good substrate.

[mackynz]

I have never used it so people with experience with this would know better but corrugated cardboard is a good insulator does the wrap effect the temps if you are using UTHs? That would be my concern past that it seems like a good substrate.

Bumping because I want to know as well. Also, is the shipping ridiculous because of the weight?

[The Serpent Merchant]

It doesn't kill the temps too much, it is only half of a sheet of cardboard, most of cardboards insulating properties are due to the air pockets in-between the 2 layers. Since those air pockets do not exist, the heat loss is minimal.

As for shipping it really depends on where you buy it. shop around. This is where I get it shipping isn't too bad

I pay $28 for a 250 foot tool, and an additional $25 for shipping. (a single 250 foot roll gives me 125 cage changes so it lasts a long time)

http://www.papermart.com/Product%20P...x?GroupID=4608

(you can even get it in different colors from this vendor)

[Rat160]

I am going to switch but see a couple things about both that I like. Does anyone here have experience with both? I like the corregated stuff but heard it saps humidity. Then the cage liners look cool and I like that I can get them pre cut. Anyone have an idea on which is better. I do like the fact that the corregated stuff is only 2.5 hours from me so I can even drive and pick it up.

[SquamishSerpents]

I use shop towels. I breed corns as well and their poops are VERY wet and very stinky. With the blue shop towel, I literally never have to scrub anything, ever. The shop towels completely absorb any liquid, and usually all that's left is urates powder. What can't be picked up with the used shop towel, I just bang out into the garbage and spray it down and wipe.

Seriously since I've started using shop towels I've never had to take a bin into the shower and soak it.

Only thing is shop towel is a bit more expensive than paper towel, but I find you have to use less of it. Also if you cruise the local Hardware flyers, I find it goes on sale. Home Hardware was recently selling rolls of it for $1.60 each so I bought about 20 of them, lol.

[The Serpent Merchant]

I am going to switch but see a couple things about both that I like. Does anyone here have experience with both? I like the corregated stuff but heard it saps humidity. Then the cage liners look cool and I like that I can get them pre cut. Anyone have an idea on which is better. I do like the fact that the corregated stuff is only 2.5 hours from me so I can even drive and pick it up.

I use corrugated wrap in my PVC cages, and have found it to be humidity neutral... Before I used it (was using butchers paper or paper towels) my humidity stayed around 60% without misting, and now that I use it my humidity is still 60% without misting.

* I do live in a humid area, and my cages hold humidity in very well

** I haven't used the cage liners yet, but will give them a try once my current roll of corrugated wrap runs out.

[Rat160]

I use shop towels. I breed corns as well and their poops are VERY wet and very stinky. With the blue shop towel, I literally never have to scrub anything, ever. The shop towels completely absorb any liquid, and usually all that's left is urates powder. What can't be picked up with the used shop towel, I just bang out into the garbage and spray it down and wipe.

Seriously since I've started using shop towels I've never had to take a bin into the shower and soak it.

Only thing is shop towel is a bit more expensive than paper towel, but I find you have to use less of it. Also if you cruise the local Hardware flyers, I find it goes on sale. Home Hardware was recently selling rolls of it for $1.60 each so I bought about 20 of them, lol.

I used to use shop towels but they are TOO absorbent. They suck the humidity completely out of my snakes. I never had a good shed while using shop towels. Now I use just regular kraft paper but i like the idea of the corregated stuff.

[Rat160]

I use corrugated wrap in my PVC cages, and have found it to be humidity neutral... Before I used it (was using butchers paper or paper towels) my humidity stayed around 60% without misting, and now that I use it my humidity is still 60% without misting.

* I do live in a humid area, and my cages hold humidity in very well

** I haven't used the cage liners yet, but will give them a try once my current roll of corrugated wrap runs out.

I like the idea that cage liners are mold resistant and pre cut, but I like the corregated stuff because I figure it will help with shed and give the ball something to rub on.

[kitedemon]

All paper is hydroscopic it will pull some water from the air and lock it away and not release it. It is a property of cellulose.

I still use coco coir products environmentally friendly and cheap. I didn't realize that the paper was so much! (about 100 changes (?) for 53$ ? I'd average $5.30 a week! I get about 125 (220L) changes for 7$ average 31¢ a week)

Sorry my dad is very Scottish...

[Don]

I use Kraft Bogus paper. It is thicker than newsprint and with a cutter, I can make a liner in seconds. I've made a mark 14" from my cutter. Pull a sheet to the mark, tear it off. Viola, liner is ready. The bottom of my tubs are 30" by 14", so a 30" roll is perfect (ARS Caging 7030).

I've calculated the cost to be .05 cents per change. I used to use newspaper and it took a long time to fold up to fit my ARS tubs. The bogus paper is more absorbent than newsprint and has the added benefit of being the same color (gray) as my tubs.