Guess what I was asking Is there anything distinguishing that can tell me that they are what the guy says they are? I am going to make him an offer for both of them as a package deal. Our 8 y.o really wants the het pied...BADLY and i REALLY want the cinny!!! Poor husband is flipping out!!! My brother has a snake rack he's giving me for my snake collection. I love it....now i know why alot of you have numerous amount of snakes...IT'S FREAKIN ADDICTION!! Thanks all for responding.