caramel glow and true ghost

[bman123]

Well I want to venture into breeding ball pythons as a hobby, I am young and figure why not start with a double recessive as my goal as I hopefully have a long time left on the ground.

Trying to determine on how to go about buying the animals. As in what sex to get what morph and wether or not to play the het game from the get go.

If you wanted to make these recessive combos what do you think is the best way to go about it?

I can get dbl het caramel glow, they seem to be out there and not too expensive, I can start with double het's instead of starting with visuals and making my own double hets for a lot cheaper considering the time raising the visuals and feeding them plus the upfront cost on the animals.

The het true ghost is no where (casper) anyone. Seems like the only way to get the true ghost I want is to buy a visual ghost and axanthic, raise them up and breed them to make my own dbl hets and that will take at least 4 years before I am even able to breed the dbl het's together and hope to hit the double combo.

What do you think? I am a nobody in this breeding game and know that selling any het offspring wont be easy but at the same time I will probably just keep majority of my female hets to try to increase my chances of hitting the double.

[Royal Hijinx]

The problem with starting with 2 double hets will be all the possible hets on down the line. So when you do hit one visual, you will not know for sure if the other gene is present. Makes for a long road proving out possible hets.

[coldbloodaddict]

Double Het projects are great!!! I have quite a few going over here...If I'm lucky I could produce a Mojave VPI True Ghost this year!

It really depends on your budget...

I would start with a couple DH females of each project you like...Multiple females are key with DH projects...Helps with the long odds.

Raise the DH females up a year or so and then look for a male...You might be able to get a Co-Dom morph DH whatever male to breed to the females...Or maybe a Visual 100% Het what ever male will be in your price range by then.

Also have you done any research on the Caramel gene... Just making sure you know about their issues before you spend a lot of money on the project.

[bman123]

yeah I looked into the caramel (kinking) issue long time ago. I know about the possible double hets and that will be a pain. Is there a better way to go about besides double hets for the caramel glow other then a visual double morph?

I really like axanthics and have some nifty ideas for down the road, I just think the true ghost would look awesome in person, I have only seen pics and like most pics online they really dont do the axanthic justice, it's one of those gotta see it morphs as pics tend to really look browned out as they get bigger

[The Serpent Merchant]

as pics tend to really look browned out as they get bigger

It's not just the pictures, they do brown out as they get older. Some more than others but if you think otherwise you will be disappointed down the road.

[bman123]

I have seen good sized axanthics that still looked good and have seen some bad ones, just the nature of morphs and I understand that. Good thing I am color blind huh

[aalomon]

yeah I looked into the caramel (kinking) issue long time ago. I know about the possible double hets and that will be a pain. Is there a better way to go about besides double hets for the caramel glow other then a visual double morph?

I really like axanthics and have some nifty ideas for down the road, I just think the true ghost would look awesome in person, I have only seen pics and like most pics online they really dont do the axanthic justice, it's one of those gotta see it morphs as pics tend to really look browned out as they get bigger

Its not the only the kinking that you have to worry about in a project like this. Female caramel fertility issues will also complicate an already long (but cool) project.

As for the true ghost, I would do visual ghost to visual axanthic. Because both genes have multiple incompatible lines out there, it would really hurt to put a few years into the project only to find out that your lines are incompatible...