Global Warming

[satomi325]

I won't repeat the facts and reasons already said. And while I believe humans aren't the cause of global warming, we are definitely making it worse. I've been wearing short shorts and a t-shirt lately due to the warm temperature. The seasons are out of wack. I haven't seen a proper winter in years, not to mention the drought my state has been in. We hardly get rain anymore. The record breaking summers aren't helping either.....

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[xdeus]

I personally believe in climate change and that man is responsible. It doesn't really matter what I believe, though. I tend to believe the people that know what they're talking about, and even though some data has been altered, there seems to be an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific community that climate change is real and is man made.

Here's a quick link to a wiki article. Yes, I know wiki is lame, unreliable, etc. but I like wiki because they include all of their great references. I could have linked to their references, but why bother when wiki does it already? Just a quickie post, though, an independent study found 97.4% of publishing climatologists and just under 90% of all earth scientists think significant man made global warming is occurring.

It doesn't really matter, though. You can choose to believe in climate change or not believe in it. You can choose to believe man is responsible or that it is just a natural occurring trend. The two opposing sides have different motives which is why they both try to influence your beliefs. You either believe that man is causing climate change and you will hopefully support alternative energy and reducing fossil fuels and the pollution, war, and long term climate effects that go with using fossil fuels. Or you believe that it's a hoax and you are comfortable with the status quo, continue using fossil fuels, save the tax dollars for supporting the fossil fuel supply instead of researching alternative fuels, and save the money wasted on researching this hoax.

Personally, I would like to see this country lose it's dependence on fossil fuels. I'm sure other countries feel the same way. Fossil fuels are finite and we will eventually need to find other energy sources anyway, so why not start now?

[RetiredJedi]

...there seems to be an overwhelming consensus amongst the scientific community that climate change is real and is man made...

I respect everyone's opinion and am not trying to change anyone's beliefs but this I do disagree with. HERE'S A LINK that says just the opposite and only a handfull of scientists believe it.
"The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change misled the press and public into believing that thousands of scientists backed its claims on manmade global warming, according to Mike Hulme, a prominent climate scientist and IPCC insider. The actual number of scientists who backed that claim was “only a few dozen experts,” he states in a paper for Progress in Physical Geography, co-authored with student Martin Mahony."

...Personally, I would like to see this country lose it's dependence on fossil fuels. I'm sure other countries feel the same way. Fossil fuels are finite and we will eventually need to find other energy sources anyway, so why not start now?...

I don't see a problem with looking for alternatives either but right now it doesn't work so well and is expensive. It will be pretty cool once the technology is complete. Just wanted to repost this.

[xdeus]

HERE'S A LINK that says just the opposite and only a handfull of scientists believe it.

Actually, that's not what it says. Well, it is, but that's if you believe the conservative paper and not the article it references. In the paper by Professor Hulme, he states "That particular consensus judgement, as are many others in the IPCC reports, is reached by only a few dozen experts in the specific field of detection and attribution studies; other IPCC authors are experts in other fields.". In other words, a few dozen experts that actually study the specific field of detection and attribution came to that conclusion, but the other hundreds of climatologists and other scientists who specialize in other fields still agree.

[xdeus]

I don't see a problem with looking for alternatives either but right now it doesn't work so well and is expensive. It will be pretty cool once the technology is complete. Just wanted to repost this.

Sorry, I meant to reply to this as well. I do agree with the points made in that article, but that doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and say "it's expensive, so why bother?". New technologies take a lot of money and time to develop. If we don't start now, then when?

[RetiredJedi]

Sorry, I meant to reply to this as well. I do agree with the points made in that article, but that doesn't mean we should just throw our hands up and say "it's expensive, so why bother?". New technologies take a lot of money and time to develop. If we don't start now, then when?

Well, I didn't say "so why bother", I just meant that the technology needs to be continuosly studied and not pushed on us. Also, we have started and are continuing to work on it.

[dr del]

To be honest I suspect spending money on anythng apart from fusion is an expensive mistake.

[xdeus]

Well, I didn't say "so why bother", I just meant that the technology needs to be continuosly studied and not pushed on us. Also, we have started and are continuing to work on it.

That's kind of a tricky one in a capitalist society. Right now fossil fuel technologies are making some people a lot of money. It will take a lot of time, money and research before alternative energy technologies can compete with fossil fuels. We can either push it on the population and force development, or subsidize research/development with taxes. If we do neither, we will just have to wait until gas/oil is quite a bit more expensive than it is before the alternative energy technology becomes feasible for the private sector to develop and produce.

[RetiredJedi]

That's kind of a tricky one in a capitalist society. Right now fossil fuel technologies are making some people a lot of money. It will take a lot of time, money and research before alternative energy technologies can compete with fossil fuels. We can either push it on the population and force development, or subsidize research/development with taxes. If we do neither, we will just have to wait until gas/oil is quite a bit more expensive than it is before the alternative energy technology becomes feasible for the private sector to develop and produce.

Getting a little off track so this will be my last post on this subject but, I disagree because a capitalist society is about the entreprenuer, competition, and American ingenuity. I realize that fossil fuels make people money but so did Apple and there are still other cell phone makers in the world. Matter of fact Apple is valued around $90bn more than ExxonMobile...Apple joins exclusive $500bn club.

It's not the governments job to force ANYTHING on people.