I will say fred has some nice animals and i have proven hets out from him in the past. Unfortunately the animals are not in the best health. This may be because he has too many and its more then his brother and him can handle, it may be hes a mill, it may be he just doesnt care. Whatever the case may be he does have nice animals. Its just sad they are in the health that they are. Last time i got animals from him i had mites all over them. I wont buy any more animals personally from them because of that