1K gram het pied female or baby pastel het clown female?

[h00blah]

Maybe I came off a bit strong, but I was only trying to stress a point that you need to enjoy what you are working with. I was also countering Snake Lab's argument of getting the het pied because you can breed it sooner.

Please try to read what people write with an open mind and don't assume people are trying to attack you. Some of us come off a little stronger than other.

It sounds like you enjoy the clowns more, so that should give you your answer. With pieds, if you want to produce an enchi pied in the future you would be better off getting a visual female or an enchi het pied female instead of just a het pied female.

sowwy kinra . They're valid points, and even though that bit doesn't apply to me, it's great information to have on the forum .

[The Mad Baller]

I love the Clown projects. I purchased a Pastel het Clown a couple of hears ago from TSK for a pretty penny. I just purchased a Spider het Clown male from Nerd in hopes of hitting the long shot Bumblebee Clown.... Also as an added bonus the Pastel Clowns have held their value extremely well the last few years!!

[snake lab]

Heres the thing with the prices of pastel clowns. There are so many people working with this morph and producing hets off these projects. In 2 to 3 years when tgis baby is ready the prices will be half of what they are now . I would get the het pied. Breed her next fall, sell the babies and buy a pastel clown male and make your own sooner

[DemmBalls]

Heres the thing with the prices of pastel clowns. There are so many people working with this morph and producing hets off these projects. In 2 to 3 years when tgis baby is ready the prices will be half of what they are now . I would get the het pied. Breed her next fall, sell the babies and buy a pastel clown male and make your own sooner

You act like nobody is working with the Pied gene??? That market extremely flooded. In 2-3 years a Pastel Clown will still be worth much more than a Piebald in 1-2 years. If the OP eventually gets a male Pastel Het Clown to go with the female...Even better! I would still go with the Pastel Het Clown! To each is own!

[snake lab]

You act like nobody is working with the Pied gene??? That market extremely flooded. In 2-3 years a Pastel Clown will still be worth much more than a Piebald in 1-2 years. If the OP eventually gets a male Pastel Het Clown to go with the female...Even better! I would still go with the Pastel Het Clown! To each is own!

Of course the market is flooded with pieds. Im not arguing that at all. What im saying is why wait 2 to 3 years when you can be producing an animal that sells this fall. The pieds sell. If he gets the het pied, produces pieds, sells pieds he can still get a pastel het clown or even a pastel clown with more size next spring if thats where he wants to go. You waste so much time by going for a baby and raising it up to breed when it comes to females

[Kinra]

Heres the thing with the prices of pastel clowns. There are so many people working with this morph and producing hets off these projects. In 2 to 3 years when tgis baby is ready the prices will be half of what they are now . I would get the het pied. Breed her next fall, sell the babies and buy a pastel clown male and make your own sooner

Yeah, but the pastel het clown female will be worth much more in 2-3 years when she is ready to breed. The OP can get the pastel het clown female now and in a year or two pick up a pastel clown male and then try for killer clowns if that is what they want to do.

The market is always going to tank, look at spiders, pastels, ghost, etc... That doesn't mean it's a bad idea to pick up a female of that morph if it is something you enjoy working with. Females take a while to grow up and are always worth more once they are breeder size.

[RobNJ]

It depends I guess...if you were planning on also picking up an enchi, lesser or some male het pied to breed to the girl this year, maybe going with the het pied girl is the way to go, hope to hit the odds and use sales to fund your clown projects or other future projects. If you were simply going to do het pied x het pied or pied x het pied, maybe going with the pastel het clown would be the way to go and then pinch your pennies to pick up a 2 gene het clown male to breed to her. As far as going with what you like, that works, but if there's a chance on a sooner return on a project you're not necessarily crazy about, nothing wrong at all with going that route to fund future projects.

[h00blah]

It depends I guess...if you were planning on also picking up an enchi, lesser or some male het pied to breed to the girl this year, maybe going with the het pied girl is the way to go, hope to hit the odds and use sales to fund your clown projects or other future projects. If you were simply going to do het pied x het pied or pied x het pied, maybe going with the pastel het clown would be the way to go and then pinch your pennies to pick up a 2 gene het clown male to breed to her. As far as going with what you like, that works, but if there's a chance on a sooner return on a project you're not necessarily crazy about, nothing wrong at all with going that route to fund future projects.

Great points. Hopefully the sweet deal on the PhC is still available

I already have a small group of females that I hope to breed in the future

Of course it's going to take a LONG time.. But until then, I can see what other combos they're making . I DO want some recessives in here though. In order, my top 3 favorite recessive combos are clown, axanthic, then lavender =p. I eventually want all 3, but if I can start working on producing my favorite first, then I'm all for that!

My plan for the het pied female was to breed a co-dom male het pied to her to maybe get a cool pied female combo.. The point of this was to get some practice in breeding to see if I can do it, and to get another female of course . You can never have too many of those!

I personally agree with Kinra that a pastel het clown is going to be worth more than the het pied in 2 years. Not just in monetary value, but in my own personal endeavor .

I want to keep this hobby as just a hobby . I believe successfully breeding would just be so cool! Breeding something nobody has seen before must feel like exploring a brand new island, opposed to hitting the lottery... That's my train of thought anyways.. If it pays for itself and ends up being a free hobby, then SWEET! If I somehow make a profit, I'd probably just buy more ball pythons

Thanks for the replies

[Royal Hijinx]

Personally for the future, I would go with the Pastel het Clown, but depends on which morph you like better.

[h00blah]

Waiting for a reply for the pastel het clown . Super excited!