Quote Originally Posted by k8nkane View Post
He has his name behind him now, though. He started the bully movement. He was the FOUNDER. Of course, he's got gobs of money ... more than 20 years later now, after founding a new dog breed and club, after starting a magazine and a million other side projects to capitalize on what he's done. But what did he start with? Nothing. He took Amstaffs and bred them with APBTs and people called his dogs mutts. It took 20+ years to get things moving and what about the upkeep on all those dogs over the years? I can guarantee you when he first started he wasn't able to sell his dogs for as much as he can now.

And like I said, he was the founder of a new freaking dog breed. What about the thousands of regular joe schmoe breeders out there who are trying to get a step up? Shows cost money; you have to go to at LEAST 10+ shows in a year to get your dog out there, if you have a well-bred dog with a look the judges are going for. Double that number if you're just starting out with a name no one knows. Training costs money. Conditioning costs money. Dog food, vet bills, etcetcetc.

And ABKC breeders are lucky because they're able to capitalize on a fad. Everyone wants a bully-looking dog these days; they're what the public thinks of when they picture a "pit bull". I constantly get accused of lying that my dog isn't a pit bull, just because he's styled more after gamebred American Pit Bulls and is only 50lbs.

What about breeders of an established breed?? I honestly feel bad for them because they have more breeders to compete with, thus more shows, more training, more money to spend on their dogs to try and get their dogs above the competition.
I was there at the beginning. When all he had was chaos. When he got knuckles i got knuckles sister rampage. I watched him build everything he has. Yes he started with nothing but his first pups from knuckles set the market at 1500.00 a pup. The only pit bulls or staffies that were selling for more were champion adba king pin fighting dogs.( which i dont condone at all). He marketed his name single handedly just like a ralph davis, pete kahl, brian sharp or any other big name snake breeder. I know of other dog breeders that have made truck loads of money doing it the right way with no short cuts. To say that this creates inferior products is false. Thats what i dont agree with you on from your previous post.