Desert problems

[PassionsPythons]

And to go a step further. The man that told me this owns several of Kevin's animals (spiders included).... Guess what? They don't wobble. That, I have seen first hand. I have also heard him on the phone with Kevin, so I know they "talk". You can take it for what it's worth. Believe it or not. I'm going to work with it myself to "prove" whether or not it works. But getting information from someone like that, especially knowing they've had their hands in that project for almost 2 decades..... I believed it. Call me crazy, but best friends are usually the people you trust the most. And if you have a "best friend" you don't trust then it really isn't a "best friend" now is it.

[JLC]

You say all that like ~I~ am supposed to trust YOUR best friend. Or you, for that matter. I don't know who you are. And have even less idea who your "best friend" is.

THIS is exactly how baseless moronic rumors get started. "I heard someone say that someone said..." and then going off and repeating such things as if they are cold hard facts. I have no doubt that YOU believe it. But you are absolutely right when you suggested that maybe it wasn't your place to mention it.

[Mike41793]

Oh well this awkward, my apologies. I looked at the website and thats what it said...Idk why two morphs would have the same name, thats stupid.

[Homegrownscales]

I'm huge on spotnoses and he didn't want me to produce powerballs with wobbles.

Forgive my derailment.... But why would a powerball wobble? I'm huge on spotnose combos as well and I've never heard or any issues with them what so ever.


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[PassionsPythons]

Forgive my derailment.... But why would a powerball wobble? I'm huge on spotnose combos as well and I've never heard or any issues with them what so ever.


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This will potentially my first season to produce one. That's just what I've heard through the grape vine. I've personally never had an issue with a spotnose, but then again I've never owned a powerball. So I'm not going to speculate, just take his advice until I know for sure otherwise. To me it makes sense that lower incubation temps would reduce the chances of the possiblity of kinks, wobbles, etc. Not saying that any specific mutation for sure one way or the other has a wobble. I'm just saying that I'll be incubating mine at lower temps because of what I've heard.

[PassionsPythons]

You say all that like ~I~ am supposed to trust YOUR best friend. Or you, for that matter. I don't know who you are. And have even less idea who your "best friend" is.

THIS is exactly how baseless moronic rumors get started. "I heard someone say that someone said..." and then going off and repeating such things as if they are cold hard facts. I have no doubt that YOU believe it. But you are absolutely right when you suggested that maybe it wasn't your place to mention it.

Let me apologize for any problems my comment might have caused this community. Personally I feel like it's a personal problem between you and I. You disagree with what I said, so that's fine. No worries. I'll still say I'm sorry directly to you if it makes things any better.

BTW I never asked you to believe my friend or me. It's what I think is true based on things I've heard from people I trust. Lemme ask you this. How else would the information get out there? It's not really exact until several people proved it otherwise. So wouldn't you want people to know your thoughts even if they weren't necessarily fact based or thought to be fact based rather.

I'll admit it wasn't my place to necessarily call Kevin out, but I'm also sure it's no skin off his back either. All I can say is this, If what I say is true, then at least more people know now than did before.

[PassionsPythons]

I'm going to leave with this. Kevin embraces his elusiveness. And my comments weren't directed at Kevin in a bad way. I was simply trying to make the point that he doesn't own a desert and he admitted that on a YouTube video. That's the point at hand here, becuase that is what this thread is about. Whether the spider comment is true or not, whatever. The FACT is that Kevin doesn't have a hand in this project, so anything he says one way or the other about it means nothing to me (a person that does have a hand in it). And it shouldn't to anyone else that believes in finding things out for themselves with "hands on" breeding. Wouldn't anything he said about the desert be "moronic rumors" since he would have had to have heard them from someone else if he was saying anything about the desert considering he admitted to not owning one? Just saying. You are calling what I say out. What's the difference?

[JLC]

... You are calling what I say out. What's the difference?

Here's the difference...

"I've heard it said that incubating spiders at lower than normal temps eliminates the wobble. I think I'll give it a try and will see if that works." <--- Interesting theory that doesn't impugn anyone's reputation and does not put itself out as some sort of fact without any proof.

"Kevin is a very bad person for intentionally withholding critical information about the well being of the animals he breeds and sells to other people." <--- A vicious rumor based on nothing but hearsay that can't be backed up or examined by anyone, but will very likely be taken and run with by any number of bozos who enjoy repeating crap like that for no other reason than they read it somewhere.

SEE the difference???

Kevin can speculate all he wants about what may or may not be the issue with deserts. As can we all. There's nothing wrong with speculation, so long as one doesn't forget that's exactly what it is.

[RichsBallPythons]

Talk with Ben Renick. Hes got many Adult female deserts and had a few Die due to Egg Binding, which is all to common in desert females. And hes yet to get a viable clutch from them.

Deserts been out 10+ years now, plenty of time to know if their fertile or not. Every other mutation has evolved beyond expectation in 10 years, but the Desert is the exception why.

Ill never own one ever as its a waste of time and money proving out what will never be.

[hmj75]

I would still consider a male down the road. No one can argue they make spectacular combos. Problem is even the combo females are hard to sell. Also the females dying from attempting to lay fertile eggs is discouraging..