Desert problems

[Royal Hijinx]

So... NERD Spiders do not wobble?

Anyway, back to the main subject. Where are these pics of Desert females sitting on viable clutches?

[kevinb]

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. And trust me, I read a LOT of ridiculous things on a lot of different sites.

If you're going to throw out accusations like that, you'd better be able to back it up with solid evidence or retract those words as the moronic rumor that they are.

I agree....also kevin DOES have deserts....I don't really know where your coming from saying he doesn't? A bunch of stuff he made this past year has desert in it somewhere.

[Mike41793]

I don't know where you guys are getting there aren't pictures. I've seen plenty of pictures of desert females on whole clutches. Granted most of the time 80% or more are infertile. But follicular production doesn't seem to be the issue.

I'd bet $10 to a donut that it's temperature related and now that Chad has 0 desert females, it's going to be extremely hard for any other breeder to have a wide variety of females to evaluate different temps with.

I've heard from VERY reliable sources that temps are the issue. Another issue is impatience. People are usually trying to breed a female as soon as they hit 1300g because they want a return. Obviously 1300g desert females don't produce. From what I understand they need to be at least 2000g and temps need to be ambient of 80.

Also those of you quoting Kevin McCurley are amusing. He DOESNT OWN A DESERT! So why in God's name would you listen to anything he had to say about the morph. He doesn't work with it and never has. Not to mention that he keeps more secrets than anyone. How could you trust someone that's KNOWN FOR YEARS how to get rid of the spider wobble and has yet to tell everyone? I'm not saying people haven't been told, but has everyone? No. Isn't that a little shady? I mean he's more well known than just about anyone. So people listen.... He chooses to keep his secrets. Just saying...

7th snake down in the column on the right is a desert ghost. I suggest you check your facts before you make such accusations.

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...ollection.html

[JLC]

7th snake down in the column on the right is a desert ghost. I suggest you check your facts before you make such accusations.

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...ollection.html

I don't have first hand knowledge about whether Kevin owns any deserts or not, so I wouldn't speculate one way or the other. But when you say someone needs to "check facts" you have to make sure your own are correct as well. "Desert Ghost" is an entirely different morph than the "Desert" that this thread is about.

[Royal Hijinx]

Is that the same use of the term Desert that we are talking about? If a Desert female produced a clutch in 2003 and 2006 we would not be having this conversation. I think this may be a type of Ghost? I could be wrong, but that is what it looks like to me.

Edit: Thanks JLC, you read my mind. THis is the reason I really dislike the use of the same term on different morphs... Desert, Woma, etc....

[PassionsPythons]

That's about the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time. And trust me, I read a LOT of ridiculous things on a lot of different sites.

If you're going to throw out accusations like that, you'd better be able to back it up with solid evidence or retract those words as the moronic rumor that they are.

Moronic rumor. Well according to Kevin himself, if you incubate spider eggs between 87.1 and 87.9 they have no wobble. Have you ever heard Kevin say that or seen him post it anywhere? I haven't and I cruise the forums just as much as the next person. Kevin openly admits to keeping information from people in his videos. The "old way" things were done. So I don't feel a need to indulge myself further. Kevin is all the proof I need.... HE OPENLY ADMITS IT!

[PassionsPythons]

I don't have first hand knowledge about whether Kevin owns any deserts or not, so I wouldn't speculate one way or the other. But when you say someone needs to "check facts" you have to make sure your own are correct as well. "Desert Ghost" is an entirely different morph than the "Desert" that this thread is about.

I'm about 99% sure that he said he didn't own a desert in the video Raphael did with him talking about the desert and lethal combos. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I heard him say it.

[PassionsPythons]

7th snake down in the column on the right is a desert ghost. I suggest you check your facts before you make such accusations.

http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...ollection.html

A desert ghost is NOT a desert. Two completely different morphs. Thanks for the help though.

[JLC]

Moronic rumor. Well according to Kevin himself, if you incubate spider eggs between 87.1 and 87.9 they have no wobble. Have you ever heard Kevin say that or seen him post it anywhere? I haven't and I cruise the forums just as much as the next person. Kevin openly admits to keeping information from people in his videos. The "old way" things were done. So I don't feel a need to indulge myself further. Kevin is all the proof I need.... HE OPENLY ADMITS IT!

"According to Kevin..." But you haven't heard him say it??? He "openly admits it"...but you haven't heard him say it? Or seen it anywhere?

If it's THAT easy to prevent the spider wobble then why hasn't it been eradicated for good?

Have you ever met Kevin and seen him with his animals? He may not be much of a people person...but that man LOVES his animals. He may "keep secrets" about which genes make which pretty morph combos, but I have NO doubt that if there were some "special formula" for eliminating the spider issues and improving the quality of life of the THOUSANDS of spiders and spider combos waiting to be hatched, he would have told the world. OR...even if he were in it for the money...he would then be cranking out 100% wobble free spiders and selling them for even more money. Haven't seen THAT claim from him either.

Again I say it...SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE that he's made such claims. Otherwise it IS nothing more than rumormill grist. And as someone who cruises the internet for information as much as you do, surely you realize that THIS sort of crap is exactly how those rumors gain ground?

[PassionsPythons]

"According to Kevin..." But you haven't heard him say it??? He "openly admits it"...but you haven't heard him say it? Or seen it anywhere?

If it's THAT easy to prevent the spider wobble then why hasn't it been eradicated for good?

Have you ever met Kevin and seen him with his animals? He may not be much of a people person...but that man LOVES his animals. He may "keep secrets" about which genes make which pretty morph combos, but I have NO doubt that if there were some "special formula" for eliminating the spider issues and improving the quality of life of the THOUSANDS of spiders and spider combos waiting to be hatched, he would have told the world. OR...even if he were in it for the money...he would then be cranking out 100% wobble free spiders and selling them for even more money. Haven't seen THAT claim from him either.

Again I say it...SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE that he's made such claims. Otherwise it IS nothing more than rumormill grist. And as someone who cruises the internet for information as much as you do, surely you realize that THIS sort of crap is exactly how those rumors gain ground?

I'm really not trying to stir the pot. I just hate to see people quoting Kevin just because he has thousands of snakes. I'm sure many of these people quoting him have never met him either. And yes I have seen Kevin with his animals, and he is amazing with them. I think he deserves a certain amount of respect for what he's capable of doing with an animal. I don't agree with his practices per say when it comes to information. But I know for a fact that he made this statement. I have no doubt that it's true either considering he's been working with the gene for almost 20 years. Maybe it wasn't my place to call that out.

Half the people commenting don't even own a desert. If you wanna have a dog in the race, then own one, breed it, prove it yourself, and then go "HAHAHAHA!". Every post about a desert is PURE speculation, unless it's actual desert owners talking about their trial and error. But in general it's not, it's a bunch of people wishing they could own a desert but won't because they think females won't produce. There has been one smart thing said in this post and that's that desert males prices should stay high for a long time since as of right now they are the only reproducers of the gene. The gene is far from dead, matter of fact this may just be what keeps a co-dom gene from dying so fast.

To answer your questions. Nope, I didn't hear it come out of his mouth, but the man who did I would trust with my child. So I believe everything he says. He has no reason to make up that rumor or lie about it. Matter of fact the reason he told me is because I'm huge on spotnoses and he didn't want me to produce powerballs with wobbles. Not to mention that Kevin admits to keeping information from the masses, he calls it keeping things the "old" way. Take it for what it's worth. I know from now on I'll incubate all my eggs between those temps just to prevent any possible side affects (kinks, wobble, etc).

It's pretty idiotic to think that the spider wobble would be eradicated with that information. There are THOUSANDS of spiders out there. Not every spider is owned by Kevin. And does it surprise you that it hasn't, being this probably the first time you've heard this? When the information isn't public knowledge... then that pretty much answers your question.