Differences between an Albino and Candy

[Solarsoldier001]

I've looked at different pictures of albinos and candies and they look to me to be the same... how do you tell the difference?

[RobNJ]

The white in candies have a purple-ish hue to them, making the yellow really pop, and as they grow, end up looking nothing like albinos.

[satomi325]

They look more like caramel albinos as adults, imo.

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[jjmitchell]

First off, I want to point out that the candy and toffee are the same thing, and both have caused quite a stink, as they are compatible with normal albino but that is a subject I will leave alone to avoid the drama that conversation will bring.
Secondly as babies toffee or candy and albino look nearly identical. with age the color changes remarkably. We all know what an adult albino looks like... here is a link to a video I found on you tube of a toffee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWQ8sa4dmy8

[Solarsoldier001]

First off, I want to point out that the candy and toffee are the same thing, and both have caused quite a stink, as they are compatible with normal albino but that is a subject I will leave alone to avoid the drama that conversation will bring.
Secondly as babies toffee or candy and albino look nearly identical. with age the color changes remarkably. We all know what an adult albino looks like... here is a link to a video I found on you tube of a toffee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWQ8sa4dmy8

I never knew... thank you

[majorleaguereptiles]

My toffee doesn't look like my albinos...

We will see what toffinos produce this year, should help give us all an understanding where the project is going. I believe a toffino/candino (toffee/candy x albino) is a visual allelic combo, that when reproduced will pass on 50%ph toffee and 50%ph albino, and not MELD like some theories. BUT who knows, it might MELD and create a toffee that produces toffees. Either way it's not as dramatic as some people have made it seem. Last I checked my co-doms are compatible with all my snakes in my collection. Some people just need to get a grip.

This guy is 6 months old in this cell-phone pic.

[CapeFearConstrictors]

My toffee doesn't look like my albinos...

We will see what toffinos produce this year, should help give us all an understanding where the project is going. I believe a toffino/candino (toffee/candy x albino) is a visual allelic combo, that when reproduced will pass on 50%ph toffee and 50%ph albino, and not MELD like some theories. BUT who knows, it might MELD and create a toffee that produces toffees. Either way it's not as dramatic as some people have made it seem. Last I checked my co-doms are compatible with all my snakes in my collection. Some people just need to get a grip.

Sorry, but it is a problem. Comparing it to co-doms isn't accurate.

With all other recessives, you need both the male *and* the female to carry the same recessive gene. With a rare mutation, getting a pair of snakes carrying the gene isn't easy, or cheap. Early last year, pairs of het toffees were going for around $10,000. That's quite an investment.

Now, if the toffee gene fuses into the albino gene to make a toffee, then we have a huge problem. Someone who invested $10k into their pair of het toffees will produce the exact same animals as someone who invested half that into a male het toffee and an albino.

The people who invested the $10k (or much more for visual toffees/candies), trusting the founders of this project, are rightfully upset because they feel their investment might end up being lost. *ESPECIALLY* since the founders of the projects (Peter Kahl and Craig Stewart) knew about the albino compatibility before it went public and failed to mention it to people who were interested in buying into the project.

That being said, recent pictures of a toffino surfaced a short while ago and it appears they might look quite different than full blooded toffees. The lavender coloration wasn't coming in nearly as strong at the age and size as pure toffees/candies.

For the record, I don't believe the toffino is pure toffee. I believe it's a double het albino/toffee. This seasons' breedings should verify the theory.

[majorleaguereptiles]

No need to explain recessive genetics to me. Obviously, with no compatibility, the production of toffees would be much slower, and it STILL will if the gene doesn't meld. I compared them to a co-dom to give an understanding that even tho it's compatible with albinos, a new co-Dom will reproduce much faster than any compatible toffee/candy would. That is a fact. Many co-doms maintain great investment value for many years!

We both seem to agree that a toffino is not a toffee nor will it hold the reproduction potential that a pure toffee will if it ends up being a visual double het. Than all this hoopla will be for nothing and het toffee females will be in very high demand to make pure toffees... Considering melding of allelic genes has never happened before, I think investing in het females right now would be a GREAT investment considering their low price because of this. If a Toffino isnt a toffee I doubt ill even sell a het toffee female for less than 5k or I'd just keep them. That's how I feel.