Ever think that my spider may be more adapted to this world then your normal?

[angllady2]

I was under the distinct impression there has been several spiders found in the wild, and they all had the wobble.

It makes no sense to think we pull yellowbellies, pastels, ghosts and a few other morphs from the wild every year, but only one spider was ever found.

Gale

[Driver]

That's as much speculation as the original post, and a pretty bold claim to say that only one has ever been found in the wild. We have no idea how many have been found. There may have only been one, but there may have been a dozen or more. Not every wild caught ball python has been sent here, not every one sent here has made it alive, and not nearly every one collected was sent anywhere at all.

It's not really speculation. It's more fact. There has only been one Spider that has been caught in the wild. That one is the one that NERD got in 1999. There are no other records of spiders being found in the wild.

[RobNJ]

It's more fact.

Really?! In the entire history of ball pythons in Africa, it is a fact that only one spider ball python has ever been found in the wild? I don't know how you can be so certain to even stand behind that statement. At best, it's unknown...at the very best.

Back to the topic at hand, as I said earlier, it's definitely an interesting perspective, and makes for interesting discussion...however, it's not something I'm so inclined to believe without some sort of data/evidence.

[spitzu]

It's not really speculation. It's more fact. There has only been one Spider that has been caught in the wild. That one is the one that NERD got in 1999. There are no other records of spiders being found in the wild.

Not that I really care about this silly argument, but is this your source?

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=35197

[Mike Cavanaugh]

You don't even know what the spider mutation is and yet you suggest....

It is very probable to be a point mutation with a promoter controlling the level of expression really no grounds to suggest an evolutionary divergence.

You are right, I don't know what the spider mutation is. But here is the thing, neither do you. So how can you suggest that "it is very probably to be a point mutation with a promotor controlling the level of expression and really no grounds to suggest an evolutionary divergence" ??? Sounds like your guesswork is adding up to a lot of fluff as well.

Keep in mind that there has only been 1 spider ever found in the wild. And that 1 is the source of what we have today. So we don't know how well they can survive since we have only found one. Maybe it was the only one out there.

It's not really speculation. It's more fact. There has only been one Spider that has been caught in the wild. That one is the one that NERD got in 1999. There are no other records of spiders being found in the wild.

So man just happened to find the only spider in the history of the world? Let me get this right... When a spider mates with a normal 50% of the babies are spider, 50% are normal. To suggest that one spider somebody happened to find in the wild is the only one is rediculous. Even more rediculous is the idea that because we only have record of another country finding one spider ball python, it must be the only one they have ever found.

LOL!

That's as much speculation as the original post, and a pretty bold claim to say that only one has ever been found in the wild. We have no idea how many have been found. There may have only been one, but there may have been a dozen or more. Not every wild caught ball python has been sent here, not every one sent here has made it alive, and not nearly every one collected was sent anywhere at all.

Bingo!

[Driver]

Not that I really care about this silly argument, but is this your source?

http://www.reptileradio.net/reptiler...ad.php?t=35197

lol its not my source I just posted over there to get some more information on it. I original heard about the one spider on one of their Reptile Radio broadcast. It was one of the subjects that they were talking about. It has also came up here on these forums a few times. I'm just at work and don't have the time to dig through the forums to find it or listen to the shows to find the particular show.

So man just happened to find the only spider in the history of the world? Let me get this right... When a spider mates with a normal 50% of the babies are spider, 50% are normal. To suggest that one spider somebody happened to find in the wild is the only one is rediculous. Even more rediculous is the idea that because we only have record of another country finding one spider ball python, it must be the only one they have ever found.

LOL!
Bingo!

First of all 50% of the babies wouldn't be guaranteed to be Spider. Each egg has a 50% chance to be normal or spider. Maybe there was only one that came out.

Second what caused the spider? It wasn't from a spider breeding to a normal some mutation or evolution had to cause the first spider.

And if you notice I did say there is no record of any more every being found?
Please by all means show me where some breeder besides NERD back in 99 that has it noted that they got a wild caught spider?
But it wouldn't make since to me that they would find a spider and keep it over there to breed it and keep it a secret. When they find wild albinos and pieds and bananas that are all worth more than the highest quality spider and ship them over here and tell us about those.
They do keep stuff to breed and then send them to us but unless its a never been seen before morph, they usually will say what they a have over there.
Why would they keep a spider a secret?

[Mike Cavanaugh]

First of all 50% of the babies wouldn't be guaranteed to be Spider. Each egg has a 50% chance to be normal or spider.

LOL, I say the glass is half full. You say it is half empty. who is right? I don't know, but I never said the word "guaranteed".

Second what caused the spider? It wasn't from a spider breeding to a normal some mutation or evolution had to cause the first spider.

exactly.

They do keep stuff to breed and then send them to us but unless its a never been seen before morph, they usually will say what they a have over there.

Oh really? You seem to have expert knowledge of how the ball python farmers of Africa conduct business... Where may I ask did you gain such priceless knowledge?

Now back to your regularly scheduled programing...

[Driver]

I have done a lot of research on it. There is not as much information out there that I would like there to be but enough to get an idea of how they operate. And I have never clamed to be an expert. There are you tube videos of the people taking a tour of snake farmers in Gahana. In the videos they are showing them how they catch the snakes and where they keep and breed them. They were telling them that they had yellow bellies that they are breeding to produce Ivories. Along with a few other morphs as well that they were breeding. They were also showing how they bag and ship the animals in bulk. They also made a point to say that there is stuff that they can’t show them because it is a secret that they are trying to prove out. There is also Reptile Radio shows where they have discussed the African snake farmer’s work. There are other reptile shows that discuss this as well. Then you have the big breeders get first shot at anything that they find in Africa. They have talked about the African snake farmers as well. If you do enough research you can get a good idea of their operations.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

I have done a lot of research on it. There is not as much information out there that I would like there to be but enough to get an idea of how they operate. And I have never clamed to be an expert. There are you tube videos of the people taking a tour of snake farmers in Gahana. In the videos they are showing them how they catch the snakes and where they keep and breed them. They were telling them that they had yellow bellies that they are breeding to produce Ivories. Along with a few other morphs as well that they were breeding. They were also showing how they bag and ship the animals in bulk. They also made a point to say that there is stuff that they can’t show them because it is a secret that they are trying to prove out. There is also Reptile Radio shows where they have discussed the African snake farmer’s work. There are other reptile shows that discuss this as well. Then you have the big breeders get first shot at anything that they find in Africa. They have talked about the African snake farmers as well. If you do enough research you can get a good idea of their operations.

Oh ok, that clears things up. Thank you for sharing your "internet knowledge"

LOL

[Driver]

Whats your knowledge? On the subject? Have you actually gone to Africa and watched the spider ball pythons? How do you know that "they mostly eat birds in the wild"?