Substrateless Method of Incubation

[Tidus10]

does anyone have a link on this? i heard of someone using soaked sponges in a little big of water for this and the grating over this... and in a different thread someone mentioned using a "push to seal" ? not sure what that meant

ill be having my first clutch soon and ive heard this method is very very hard to mess up, any and all help is much appreciated

[The Serpent Merchant]

push to seal I think is a type of saran-wrap

check out these:

http://www.reptilebasics.com/sim-incubation-box

[Jonas@Balls2TheWall]

The only purpose for substrate in incubation is to keep the humidity high as long as possible. It doesn't matter what you use as long as your humidity is at the right level. I use vermiculite because it seems to hold humidity really well and then I use a light diffuser on top so that I dont worry about having the vermiculite too wet. Push n seal is a plastic that you place over the container, it basically helps seal the humidity in better.

[Tidus10]

from what ive read substrateless is the way to go.. why dont more breeders do it? i was going to use a 10qt tub with light defuser on 1.5" spacers over water and sponge... do you think this will work?

[The Serpent Merchant]

all that matters is that the box stays at the right temperature and humidity level as much as possible, and that when the snakes hatch they can't drown or otherwise hurt themselves.

Sounds like it would work but I have never done it before.

[Tidus10]

kinda seems like to kinda mimic the SIM system i could use my ex girlfriends MASSIVE bobby pin collection scattered throughout the house to secure the eggs in place and kinda seems fool proof?

[The Serpent Merchant]

just make sure there isn't any sharp edges or anything else that could harm the little guys

I know that most people i have seen use vermiculite and a light diffuser with great results. all of the big breeders do this as well. I won't have my first clutch until at least next breeding season, but I will probably go that route.

[Jonas@Balls2TheWall]

The substrate method has been around a long time and I bet you that even the big breeders learned with that method. It has worked for years and most people go by the quote "if it aint broke, don't fix it". A new substrate-less method will mean having to change a lot of things especially big breeders, not to mention that the big breeders clutches are usually pretty high dollar and they probably wouldnt want to take a chance on a new method. Also, someone mentioned drowning, thats something to worry about and can be avoided, however it would probably take some rigging of a tub etc, that would take a lot of time for the "big breeders".

[Tidus10]

The substrate method has been around a long time and I bet you that even the big breeders learned with that method. It has worked for years and most people go by the quote "if it aint broke, don't fix it". A new substrate-less method will mean having to change a lot of things especially big breeders, not to mention that the big breeders clutches are usually pretty high dollar and they probably wouldnt want to take a chance on a new method. Also, someone mentioned drowning, thats something to worry about and can be avoided, however it would probably take some rigging of a tub etc, that would take a lot of time for the "big breeders".

I can totally dig that and this being my first season im not sure what to really expect, thus why im thinking this method that doesn't require me to buy and mix these things would be more beneficial to me. I am going to produce a clutch with spiders and a clutch with pins.. hopefully.. next year ill have more projects that i can work with and all that but i really am focusing on learning what i can and hopefully producing healthy 'neonates' still trying to learn more about this water only method...

[mdfreak2]

Sorry to steal thread but does anyone still let the momma incubate them herself