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    Re: Viscious Ball

    Quote Originally Posted by Anatopism View Post
    I disagree with a few things said/implied here.

    1) ball pythons are not parrots or dogs... allowing a snake to bite you is not a reward or in any way going to motivate or encourage it to want to bite more. I have never encountered a snake that has bit (whether strike/coil or defensively strike/release) make the connection that biting in any way gets them something they want/stops behavior they don't want. Biting from a snake is an instinctive response... they do so because you smell like food, or they feel threatened by you. A bird might bite because it learns you make funny sounds when they do so, or because they learn it makes you leave them alone.... a ball python does not, or at least hasn't ever in my experience or the experience of my peers.
    Have you ever had a latch and wrap ball python bite? Have you ever had a ball python bite you and NOT LET GO for 5 minutes, until you finally jammed a pencil between its jaws? Only to have it immediately look around for another way to grab hold of you? It's a very, very different experience from 99.9% of ball python bites. And I'm 99.9% certain that that particular snake felt very good about chomping on my warm, deliciously bloody mammal finger that day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anatopism View Post
    2) the OP says they feed in a seperate enclosure. I recommend reading the dozens of threads/debates on this topic, and consider the thousands of snakes that are fed properly in their enclosures that never become "cage aggressive".
    Okay. If the OP said he feeds in a separate closure already, than that's what he does. And I read too quickly, so it's my mistake.

    That said, I handle my ball pythons quite a lot. I have over a dozen of them. I have on more than one occasion been too lazy to remove a particular snake from its enclosure for several feedings in a row, only to have those same animals come shooting out in a very aggressive manner whenever I open my tanks/tubs, even on off-feeding days, while the rest of my collection ignored me in their usual manner. It's more pronounced during late summer. I have gotten a couple of hopeful feeding strike bites from my black pastel and het pied males as a result. They're not rocket scientists, these two, I admit it. But the feeding strikes stopped a week or two after I went back to separate enclosure feeding.

    Most of the reason people feed in the same enclosure is simple convenience. It's a giant pain in the neck to do separate enclosure feedings when you have more than, oh, 10 snakes. Logistically it's impossible for large collections. But if you have one or two animals, and they are primarily pets and you handle them frequently, it's worth considering. Especially if they are already "nippy".
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    Re: Viscious Ball

    Quote Originally Posted by loonunit View Post
    Have you ever had a latch and wrap ball python bite? Have you ever had a ball python bite you and NOT LET GO for 5 minutes, until you finally jammed a pencil between its jaws? Only to have it immediately look around for another way to grab hold of you? It's a very, very different experience from 99.9% of ball python bites. And I'm 99.9% certain that that particular snake felt very good about chomping on my warm, deliciously bloody mammal finger that day.
    Yes, I have. I have been bit many times by different species of snakes. I have had a large ball python bite and coil with my thumb on it's mouth. I have had a male larger than most of our females strike from my hands down at my waste, and latch onto my chin all because he could smell a rat in the room and grabbed the first thing that moved. Every single one is the same. It is foolish to anthropomorphize an animal that is so incredibly instinctual in everything it does.

    I should also mention that every single time I have been coiled by a snake, i have been able to carefully and calmly remove them. An icecube held up to the heat pits works like a charm. I admit full fault for these bites... I am not very careful about not smelling like rats around any of our snake smaller than the dumerils, as I don't jump or pull back when bit and I don't think it hurts that bad... when you own birds, your pain tolerance rises. I guarantee if you let your snake that "liked" chomping on you out at night and went to sleep, that it has not gained a taste for humans, or that it will seek you out to harm you

    Okay. If the OP said he feeds in a separate closure already, than that's what he does. And I read too quickly, so it's my mistake.

    That said, I handle my ball pythons quite a lot. I have over a dozen of them. I have on more than one occasion been too lazy to remove a particular snake from its enclosure for several feedings in a row, only to have those same animals come shooting out in a very aggressive manner whenever I open my tanks/tubs, even on off-feeding days, while the rest of my collection ignored me in their usual manner. It's more pronounced during late summer. I have gotten a couple of hopeful feeding strike bites from my black pastel and het pied males as a result. They're not rocket scientists, these two, I admit it. But the feeding strikes stopped a week or two after I went back to separate enclosure feeding.

    Most of the reason people feed in the same enclosure is simple convenience. It's a giant pain in the neck to do separate enclosure feedings when you have more than, oh, 10 snakes. Logistically it's impossible for large collections. But if you have one or two animals, and they are primarily pets and you handle them frequently, it's worth considering. Especially if they are already "nippy".
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

    As each snake is an individual, it is theoretically possible for yours to have become vengeful mean creatures, but there are considerably more snakes for every supposed "cage aggressive" snake, whose behavior is not altered by location of feeding. There are snakes who may stop eating if you try to move them to another enclosure because it is stressful. There are snakes who will become more aggressive if fed in another enclosure... my point being, that without knowing the husbandry and set up of the OP's ball, we can't possibly give appropriate advice.

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