If you think there is a difference between butter and lesser vote

[wlpython]

Not to add fuel to the fire but this is a lesser on the left and a butter on the right. No diffference?

[jbean7916]

Not to add fuel to the fire but this is a lesser on the left and a butter on the right. No diffference?

I can post pics of two pastels next to each other that look nothing alike but are both still pastels.



sent from my EVO

[zeion97]

I can post pics of two pastels next to each other that look nothing alike but are both still pastels.



sent from my EVO

Yup, I have a VERY dull pastel, here.. Taken during shed and he's lighter now.

compared to this.



personaly I believe they're the same gene, but with any snake they're going to be different. we have so many morphs out there now it's hard to even keep track

[snakesRkewl]

Lesser...

Butter...

[zeion97]

With yours Jerry, you can easily see the difference and I can see why people will say there two different genes entirely. Like I've said before I don't know a lot about the morphs But a lot of them appear to look the same. Thanks for sharing some awesome snakes though!

[TessadasExotics]

Yup, I have a VERY dull pastel, here.. Taken during shed and he's lighter now.

Sorry but this snake is clearly not a pastel.

[OhhWatALoser]

Not to add fuel to the fire but this is a lesser on the left and a butter on the right. No diffference?

The variation of them comes not from the lesser/butter gene, but the other multi-thousand of possible genes that we can't clearly label but are still there changing how the snake looks. Same goes for every other morph and even normals. This is like debating if bhb pastels are different morphs than lemon pastels.

also your butter is more silvery compared to your lesser that's more yellow, the exact opposite of what people say they are. I do realize there is quite the size difference between them that is most likely causing the drastic contrast, but point continues to be proven

Sorry but this snake is clearly not a pastel.

im going to have to agree, tess and me never agree on anything lol

[wwmjkd]

you got it exactly right, lesser on top and lesser on bottom. Picture is of them breeding last year. I don't even own a butter lol.

Can this debate end now? Besides a few of you who misunderstood the intent of this. This pretty much proves, the believers of them being different morphs can't tell for themselves, so why do you still want to debate it? The whole yellowish/silver thing may of been true for the original founding animals, but that becomes farther and farther form the truth as we continue to out cross.

The variation of them comes not from the lesser/butter gene, but the other multi-thousand of possible genes that we can't clearly label but are still there changing how the snake looks. Same goes for every other morph and even normals. This is like debating if bhb pastels are different morphs than lemon pastels.

anything left to clear up?

I've never really viewed them as discrete morphs, but the only aspect that I still need clarification on (due to my relative inexperience) is whether anyone has successfully produced a 'butter daddy' that resembles the original platty daddy. I know the 'het platty' gene is difficult, but theoretically couldn't someone produce a platinum (not a lesser) by pairing a butter and a het platty? if not, then they are still distinct morphs. if this question has been asked and answered already, I have missed it, but that's the only possible distinction I would consider relevant.

otherwise, it's just a matter of selecting the best quality lesser. as rabernet has shown a few times recently.

[OhhWatALoser]

I've never really viewed them as discrete morphs, but the only aspect that I still need clarification on (due to my relative inexperience) is whether anyone has successfully produced a 'butter daddy' that resembles the original platty daddy. I know the 'het platty' gene is difficult, but theoretically couldn't someone produce a platinum (not a lesser) by pairing a butter and a het platty? if not, then they are still distinct morphs. if this question has been asked and answered already, I have missed it, but that's the only possible distinction I would consider relevant.

otherwise, it's just a matter of selecting the best quality lesser. as rabernet has shown a few times recently.

I haven't personally confirmed it, but it has been said for a couple years now that ralph davis made some butter daddys.

[zeion97]

Sorry but this snake is clearly not a pastel.

He's a pastel. Like I said., taken during shed. And he's heavily browned out. He's still a pastel though, I want to get a better picture but he's on Batryil (sp error?) And finally recovering so I am not touching unless I have to.