Are you kidding me?!?! (Rant Warning)

[enchantress62]

Before I took any action, I'd get facts. Not opinions, no matter how well intentioned.

Bringing attention to the plight of the homeless can be important work.

Bringing a fox crew to a pet store who we have heard two differing opinions on just doesn't sound like a good idea to me. What we don't need is more public attention to issues we as keepers are not even sure exist.

First verify that what has been said is fact. Then make a plan. Don't go calling peta and hsus or anyone else all willynilly trying to make noise to bust this one guy.

Best thing to do is NOT spend money there. Secondary to that, encourage your friends to take a pass on the place too. Maybe check your local Herp. Society if you have one and see if they have heard anything about the place. Herpers like to talk and most of them know all the stores in their area.

Or, if you just like media attention, go, whore yourself out. You might get a second or two on camera yourself. The media is NEVER our friend in these situations. Which is not to say it needs to be or should be covered up, just that there are other methods of approach that won't get crap all over everyone involved.

So let me get this straight. You say get facts. Okay, the OP walked into the store with his family, including children, and witnessed the conditions he described. He explained that he talked with an employee who only reinforced his concerns.

Now, short of contacting the owner, which I agree, should have been the first step. how would you have gathered more facts? The OP witnessed the neglect first hand. His wife and children also witnessed the conditions and I'm sure are in support of his efforts.

Also, if you had read all of the post's you would have seen that I advised him to contact the ASPCA and report the stores conditions or go back with camera in hand and take pictures, then when asked, tell them that he just thought the ASPCA should know what a fine job they are doing. I never told him to go to the press but since he did at least we can support his efforts. He did something. What have you done to end this kind of neglect/abuse?

And.... The name calling says more about you then it does about me.

To the OP, I appologize for getting off topic a little. I think you did well because the outcome was benefitial to the animals. Maybe you could go back to the store in a couple weeks and see for yourself if the necissary changes were made.

[crazyj83]

So let me get this straight. You say get facts. Okay, the OP walked into the store with his family, including children, and witnessed the conditions he described. He explained that he talked with an employee who only reinforced his concerns.

Now, short of contacting the owner, which I agree, should have been the first step. how would you have gathered more facts? The OP witnessed the neglect first hand. His wife and children also witnessed the conditions and I'm sure are in support of his efforts.

Also, if you had read all of the post's you would have seen that I advised him to contact the ASPCA and report the stores conditions or go back with camera in hand and take pictures, then when asked, tell them that he just thought the ASPCA should know what a fine job they are doing. I never told him to go to the press but since he did at least we can support his efforts. He did something. What have you done to end this kind of neglect/abuse?

And.... The name calling says more about you then it does about me.

To the OP, I appologize for getting off topic a little. I think you did well because the outcome was benefitial to the animals. Maybe you could go back to the store in a couple weeks and see for yourself if the necissary changes were made.

First, I want to appologize for any rude remarks made to you by others on this thread.
Second, thank you for seeing that I truely ment no harm to the herp community, I just wanted to help save and protect animals that we all care for and love.

I also want to clear up one thing. I did contact the store manager, and when he was no help I contacted the owners who seemed to pass the issue off as just another gripe and nothing to care about. The only reason I went as far as I did was to get my point that the animals health was at risk. The aspca said it could and more then likely would be middle of next month before they could do anything. Now please I dare anyone reading this to tell me that a bp with sever scale rot and a RI thats so bad the poor thing is gasping for air, mixed with 4 other bps and a baby burm, please try and tell me yheyd still have a chance of survival if I had let the matter go for a month... I'm pretty sure they would all have been sick if not dead. Now lets put it this way, the bps in question are just a $ to the owners. Now to an owner of they have 5 bps marked at $60each and a burm at $150 give or take, those animals die they take $450 or so in a loss, unless the breeder offers a credit for unsold animals. So do you really think they give a damn when someone complains? I think not. I do know that the second you bring in any sorce that will effect total store income, the people in charge take notice. Anyways all is said and done for now. I plan on returning to the store in a few days and verify thing have come to order.
Raptor, as for you I dont see why you decided to turn this into a mudslunging forum but if you remember when you responded to my prior post when you said you have visited that store, I asked you to go and see if I was overacting, and yet I dont believe you did, simply due to the fact your still defending the company. Untill you see what I saw and handled, i'd like to remind you I was, and always will do what I believe to be right.
I'd again like to thank everyone thats read this intire thread and see's I was only doing what I felt was right for the animals.

[wilomn]

First, I want to appologize for any rude remarks made to you by others on this thread.

When I feel the need to apologize, I will. So piss off on that score boyo, you don't have the right.

Secondly, you DO realize that today is christmas right? I hear some folks spend time with family and some stores are closed. That may have some effect on anyone's being able to verify what you've said. Then there's the whole you say one thing, someone else, one time if I recall correctly which is hardly defending anyone, said they saw something different.

No one has a problem with you "doing what you think is right."

However, tell me this, why should anyone take your word for it? I don't know you and even if I did I'd still ask for more proof than you've provided before I got my panties all wadded up. You see, newb, you're not the first to have misplaced good intentions. It's a darn shame you got all bent about the way I ask, but life is tough sometimes, get over it.

[crazyj83]

When I feel the need to apologize, I will. So piss off on that score boyo, you don't have the right.

Secondly, you DO realize that today is christmas right? I hear some folks spend time with family and some stores are closed. That may have some effect on anyone's being able to verify what you've said. Then there's the whole you say one thing, someone else, one time if I recall correctly which is hardly defending anyone, said they saw something different.

No one has a problem with you "doing what you think is right."

However, tell me this, why should anyone take your word for it? I don't know you and even if I did I'd still ask for more proof than you've provided before I got my panties all wadded up. You see, newb, you're not the first to have misplaced good intentions. It's a darn shame you got all bent about the way I ask, but life is tough sometimes, get over it.

Humm... Did not realize I named you as an offender... Nice of you to join in. also yes I know today is Christmas, I was not telling anyone to drive there today, matter of fact I merly asked if a fellow Tulsa area owner could go by to see for themselves before passing judgement. But like i've said, I did what I felt was right by the animals health and welfare. But its cool yall bash me for lighting a fire under a petstore owners rear to keep on top of the quality and care of the animals they sell to the public.
Ask yourself this, if you went to a breeder and saw a mess of sick snakes and dirty tubs, and after trying to get them to clean up and help the sick, you wouldent step up the pressure to help the animals?