U.S. lowers it's flag.

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Not to mention this war has costed the U.S. way more money than we had at a time when the country cannot even support it's people.

http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-iraq-c...102108022.html

Not trying to pick a fight or anything but the the country isn't suppose to support it's people. The people are suppose to support themselves... Not really a daycare system.

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Not trying to pick a fight or anything but the the country isn't suppose to support it's people. The people are suppose to support themselves... Not really a daycare system.

Yet, we are supposed to support the government? Why are we paying taxes? So we can force democracy on other countries, or help the system help us when we need it? That can be a long drawn out discussion and will most likely be a viscious circle of arguements.

For the record in my original post, I said "the war is over! At least the war the public knows about is over". They are not openly stating they are sending from one location to another. We will always from this point forward be in that country, wether it's Blackwater or uniformed personel.

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Yet, we are supposed to support the government? Why are we paying taxes? So we can force democracy on other countries, or help the system help us when we need it? That can be a long drawn out discussion and will most likely be a viscious circle of arguements.

For the record in my original post, I said "the war is over! At least the war the public knows about is over". They are not openly stating they are sending from one location to another. We will always from this point forward be in that country, wether it's Blackwater or uniformed personel.

We are suppose to support the government. Because the government is suppose to be FOR the people. That is not necessarily the case anymore...

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We are suppose to support the government. Because the government is suppose to be FOR the people. That is not necessarily the case anymore...

Right. So, your grandpa who worked 30-50 years for a money hungry boss who decided not to match his retirement is out of money now and receives SSI. Are you saying he no longer deserves support from the people he supported his whole life? Does he not deserve medical care? This is the support I'm talking about. Life is tough right now for everybody and we are still paying taxes, in fact, there are talking about increasing the taxes even more and have done so recently. Your saying we should not recieve support in times like this. What about the 12,000,000 Americans who are going to run out of benefits on January 1st if the government doesn't reach an agreement by December 31st this year? Mind you, a lot of those people are not scum bags, they have worked a long time in established careers(paying taxes the whole time, some of them paying large amounts). IMO, your "daycare" statement was cold hearted and uneducated. The money would have been well spent here in our country taking care of people like this instead of funding a political war...

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Right. So, your grandpa who worked 30-50 years for a money hungry boss who decided not to match his retirement is out of money now and receives SSI. Are you saying he no longer deserves support from the people he supported his whole life? Does he not deserve medical care? This is the support I'm talking about. Life is tough right now for everybody and we are still paying taxes, in fact, there are talking about increasing the taxes even more and have done so recently. Your saying we should not recieve support in times like this. What about the 12,000,000 Americans who are going to run out of benefits on January 1st if the government doesn't reach an agreement by December 31st this year? Mind you, a lot of those people are not scum bags, they have worked a long time in established careers(paying taxes the whole time, some of them paying large amounts). IMO, your "daycare" statement was cold hearted and uneducated. The money would have been well spent here in our country taking care of people like this instead of funding a political war...

I would like to apologize. I believe we have been misunderstanding eachother. I did not mean in any way that the government should not be paying people their social security in anyway. When I read your original post I just assumed you were talking about things like free healthcare, welfare, food stamps, WIC, and EBT. I did not mean that people should not be recieving SSI that they paid into their whole life and won't receive a dime of because our government can't balance a budget. As far as being cold hearted and uneducated...you can blame that on life experiences and the public school system run by the government.