took them to a local breeder of fires today to compare them. In my opinion and his opinion they are fires thru and thru. They are a little darker than I would like, but fires they are. On another note, the female is male. He must have been clinching on me really good when I sexed him before buying him, probed 3 scales both sides. My sexing skills arent the greatest I will admit, but I thought he popped male. That is ok tho, got a good enough deal on them that that is still fine. Will sell it as male just in case. Thanks for everyones help! It is much appreciated...