Breeding Bumble Bee To Bumble Bee

[Jessica Loesch]

You totally contradict yourself here. First you say it's not called a super spider, second you say its possible for a homozygous form. If it has a homozygous form it is a codom, therefor the homozygous form would be a super. All of this is exactly why I made the troll post a page or two back saying "oh snap, there is super spider talk in this thread". This could go on forever.

A super spider implies codominance. Since spider is dominant, I'm not contradicting myself.
Genetically, yes - it is possible for a homozygous form, but that does not make it what we know as a "super" because it is dominant and not codominant.

I never said that a homozygous spider wasnt possible. I said that it doesnt exist, and until someone PROVES otherwise that statement is correct.
What more evidence and research would you like? The spider has been around since 1999 and there has never been a PROVEN homozygous spider.


NERD says that it is not lethal. Until someone PROVES otherwise I believe them. Why would they have to prove that it isnt when there is no evidence to prove that there is a lethal homozygous form.
How many breeding have there been? How many is enough?

I can think of three dominate traits off the top off my head. Spider,Pinstripe,and Granite. None of which have proven to have a homozygous form . Yet alone a homozygous that is lethal.

First of all, it's dominant not dominate. Sorry, it just bothers me.

NERD, with all due respect to them, doesn't know everything. I still agree that until it is proven, we can't say it's lethal and I'm pretty sure that's what I already said. But either way there is no proof for one or the other.
There aren't really that many documented breedings out there of spider x spider to be conclusive.

I don't really understand your logic, however, as you say there is no existence of a homozygous spider but that there is no lethality proven either. Okay, so I get that you are saying neither is proven to exist, but you are playing both sides of the fence here. And there have been cases to where people have thought they had a homozygous pinstripe, but like you said - not proven genetically. There really is no argument here, but saying "it doesn't exist" is a little ignorant. We don't know that.

That could be true. As far as there being no super spiders because two spider genes is fatal, well that's just a theory.

Again, super is a term associated with codominance.
You are contradicting yourself though, as being weak and dying after birth is technically FATAL. Just saying.