Do all morphs get "head wobble"?

[Reakt20]

EVERYTHING you said was either opinionated, "what if" based, worst case senario, or hearsay. its fine if you don't want to deal with spiders, and im sure everybody gets that now. the fact that YOU started breaking down people's reply's and responding, as others put it, "arrogantly" or with a "holier than thou" attitude, plus the fact that you even RESPONDED with a quote of mine, disagreeing with what I said tells me that you actually DO want to argue. All i'm saying is the name of the thread was "Do all morphs get 'head wobble' and you posts are NOT on point with the topic. Your posts are pretty much coming off as "I don't like spiders and wouldn't breed spiders (which is fine), and if you breed spiders, you pretty much don't care about the quality of life for you snake (which is not fine, in my opinion.) "

And, yes I do have a bumblebee, and he is a high quality bumblebee with very slight wobble that most people wouldnt notice. I never said anything about my snake though, so I'm not sure why that matters. With or without the spider gene in my collection, my opinion is my opinion, and is rarely put out there unless it is asked for, or if something is needed to be said. I suggest you do the same-give your opinion when its relevant.
If people wanted to know who approved of spider breeding and who doesn't, they'd make a thread about it.

[Genetics Breeder]

All of your arguments are opinion based - your opinion of their quality of life, your opinion that they should not be bred....etc.
I think quality of life is an animal living happily. The people that posted above thought it meant that it was staying alive (eating, breeding, and growing)
Why can't you just agree that YOU will not work with spiders, and let others decide for themselves if the wobble is something they are willing to work with or not? It appears that your "proving a point" isn't so much about "proving a point" as it is trying to convince people that your opinion is the only opinion and therefore, no one should choose to work with spiders.
I already agreed that I wouldn't work with spiders, and I don't care if other people do. It's when they 'pretend' or 'lie' that the spider problems aren't as bad that it annoys me.
You even did so on another thread where the person was deciding between a spider and a pinstripe, arguing that the pinstripe didn't wobble, so it was the obvious choice.
That's not arguing. I said it wouldn't have problems if it was a pin. Other people said that also. EVERYONE else said that they would also get the pinstripe, and the person that started the thread was asking for oppinions. They ended up deciding to get the pinstripe. Go read the thread if you want.

[Reakt20]

You even said that a person cant say the quality of life isn't affected by the wobble, so where do you get off thinking that you can decide if it does or not? that's what i want to know. and where do you get off saying that if you can live with your animals having this "problem", then you shouldn't be breeding? and then deny saying it or act like you don't know what we are talking about? smh....

[Genetics Breeder]

EVERYTHING you said was either opinionated, "what if" based, worst case senario, or hearsay.
facts-
ALL spiders heads' wobble
some breeders don't take care of their animals
the first poster was talking about morphs heads' wobbling
quality of life is more than if an animal eats, grows, and breeds
You wrote that everything I said was 'either opinionated, "what if" based, worst case senario, or hearsay.'
Quality of life-
noun
your personal satisfaction (or dissatisfaction) with the cultural or intellectual conditions under which you live (as distinct from material comfort); "the new art museum is expected to improve the quality of life"


its fine if you don't want to deal with spiders, and im sure everybody gets that now. the fact that YOU started breaking down people's reply's and responding, as others put it, "arrogantly" or with a "holier than thou" attitude, plus the fact that you even RESPONDED with a quote of mine, disagreeing with what I said tells me that you actually DO want to argue. All i'm saying is the name of the thread was "Do all morphs get 'head wobble' and you posts are NOT on point with the topic. Your posts are pretty much coming off as "I don't like spiders and wouldn't breed spiders (which is fine),

and if you breed spiders, you pretty much don't care about the quality of life for you snake (which is not fine, in my opinion.) "
I actually said that if you KNOW that all spiders you hatch will have the problem, and you pretend/lie that it's not as bad or isn't existent, you don't care about the quality of life.

And, yes I do have a bumblebee, and he is a high quality bumblebee with very slight wobble that most people wouldnt notice.
You still don't seem to realize. It's not if MOST PEOPLE notice the wobble, it matters if the snake does.
I never said anything about my snake though, so I'm not sure why that matters.
It seems like you are trying to make my sound bad instead of admitting the problems with spiders, affecting their quality of life.
With or without the spider gene in my collection, my opinion is my opinion, and is rarely put out there unless it is asked for, or if something is needed to be said. I suggest you do the same-give your opinion when its relevant.
If people wanted to know who approved of spider breeding and who doesn't, they'd make a thread about it.

I quoted so that you would know that I was saying it about what you said, and it's easier to re-read what I was talking about.

[Reakt20]

If you can deal with animals possibly having problems, you shouldn't be owning animals.

Actually this is what you said. Not what you said you said.

[Reakt20]

and you can "break down" and nitpick all you want but you are missing the big picture here.

[Genetics Breeder]

You even said that a person cant say the quality of life isn't affected by the wobble, so where do you get off thinking that you can decide if it does or not? that's what i want to know.
I said that it WAS affected by the wobble. Read all of MY posts.
and where do you get off saying that if you can live with your animals having this "problem", then you shouldn't be breeding?
Yes, I said that I don't think people care about the animals as much if they can breed one, knowing it will have lower quality of life.
and then deny saying it or act like you don't know what we are talking about?
When did I deny saying that? You can read ALL my posts if you want. I didn't change what I wrote.
smh....
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[Reakt20]

the fact that you keep speaking for the snakes like you are there official representative and you are the spider snake whisperer and know exactly what's going on with them when nothing you say is from experience is really annoying as well. so please take my first advice and stop posting in this thread.

[Genetics Breeder]

Actually this is what you said. Not what you said you said.

That makes no sense. I wrote that more than one time. If you don't care, or can live with, breeding animals with genetic problems, I don't think you should be breeding them.

and you can "break down" and nitpick all you want but you are missing the big picture here.
I'm quoting and writing below what people said, so it's easier to see what goes with what.

[Genetics Breeder]

the fact that you keep speaking for the snakes like you are there official representative and you are the spider snake whisperer and know exactly what's going on with them when nothing you say is from experience is really annoying as well.
You're right. Nothing is from experience. It's common sense. Animal with genetic disorder, or possible extreme problems and neurological disorders= Do not breed
so please take my first advice and stop posting in this thread.
Then you keep repeating this. Why do you want me to stop posting on this thread? Can't you just go to a different page on you're computer? Don't read it if you don't like it.