Quote Originally Posted by rabernet View Post
I don't know who this same breeder is
http://coldblooded-novelties.com/ Frank told me that at the last expo when I was talking to him about the spiders having problems.

All of my breedings are carefully planned to produce animals for my number one customer - ME. If I want to create a particular cross, and I need a spider to do so, then I will breed my spiders as I work towards that goal.
That's what I meant. If someone is breeding them just to sell the expensive babies, it would be worse than breeding them because they like the morph. I just don't think that there are many people who couldn't do without spiders.

Regarding stress. OK, I concede that you didn't say stressed, you said it affected their quality of life. How do you tangibly measure their quality of life? I think a good way is to see if a wild one would do it. If a wild one wouldn't do it, it is not necessary or helpful to the snake in any way. I think completely mutating their colors and patterns is enough. Doing as much as to mutate their personality or behaviors is very different. Changing pigment cells is different than affecting the way their brains function.