well the only thing i can think of is weer the rat pups died ( 5 of them over night ) and the fact I didn't feed them at 6 am but around lunch time that caused it. SO I need ot come up with a way to feed them either more or auto feed them so if i get too swamped fixing computers for other till 4 in the morning that Ithey fed incase I sleep in. I also now got the hrad ache of finding more of the plastic bins cause the local lowes was out when I stopped in.

as for the cardboard they love to tear it apart on me . but whe n I had glass tanks they would love to chew on these little tables I made of scrape plywood and small 2x3 screwed together lol ( was temped to see if i boiled on in some beef/ or chicken base if they chew on it more ... but never tried it lol )