Well I am just getting into this. This would literally be my first pair that's old enough to breed. I have a baby spider girl and a baby normal girl already, but they will not be ready to breed for quite some time. I came across the male cinny and thought that 125 was a pretty good price for a proven breeder male who is poss het pied. He said the normal girl was last bred this past season, she should be ready to go by the time the season starts with good feeding. That was his direct quote lol.