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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    If you had perfect genes, inbreeding would preserve that perfection. Trouble is you can't always tell. I would inbreed once to preserve some exceptional trait, but then I'd outcross in the next generation. I prefer line breeding when possible. I'd do that twice before an outcross.
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    Is there any evidence of inbreeding increasing the chances of neurological diseases? Considering there isn't much else we can tell is wrong with a snake since there isn't much room for physical deformities on the body of a snake.

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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by snake lab View Post
    Although some will argue the spider wobble is not a health issue i personally believe it is and was passed down so much because the original animals were inbred so closelly to get them to market.
    I have learned from some semi extensive research that ALL spiders wobble its a matter of how noticable it is. Someone not knowing what to look for and having a spider or spider morph may think it does not have the wobble because it is such a subtle wobble. Also some spiders hatched appear to have no wobble yet develop it later in life and vice versa. Some spiders have it from birth and sometimes it decreases with age and some have it, it goes away and then comes back. I have also learned that the wobble can not be bred out. I guess it depends on how you've researched and what you have come to believe. Here's a link that I feel is the "majority vote" answer to the spider wobble theory.

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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    I am not touching this debate again lol
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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    Is there any evidence of inbreeding increasing the chances of neurological diseases? Considering there isn't much else we can tell is wrong with a snake since there isn't much room for physical deformities on the body of a snake.
    I would say yes it does increase the chance because inbreeding tends to reduce the number of genes available within the population. So you reduce the number of genes what are you left with? It's kind of like why breeders inbreed ... to get the best of the best right?? ... well the worst of the worst could happen too.
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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by snake lab View Post
    I am not touching this debate again lol


    I wasn't debating lol ... I love my killer bee and his wobble....
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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by Salodin View Post
    Is there any evidence of inbreeding increasing the chances of neurological diseases?
    Absolutely not!


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    Re: line breeding, inbreeding, selective breeding

    Quote Originally Posted by womsterr View Post
    Absolutely not!

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    "The presents of neurological disorders in snakes bred from small or narrowing gene pools, is not conclusive evidence of deleterious effects from morph breeding, but it certainly is cause for concern.

    Many disagree, stating that as these neurologically impaired animals still breed, feed and crap and so there is no reason to worry."
    http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forum...nbreeding.html

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    Inbreeding snakes, breeding closely-related snakes together, increases the probability that any recessive traits hidden in the genome will be expressed. Some recessive traits are desirable, such as albinism, and some may be deleterious.
    In general, snakes appear to be highly tolerant of inbreeding. There are a few examples where inbreeding has produced snakes with problems, but considering how much inbreeding has been done in the projects to propagate morphs, inbreeding appears to only rarely have any negative consequences.

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