Just to clear a few things up on the pandas. I am working with this morph currently and will be breeding a super black het pied to a black het pied. In theory that can produce the panda. The super cinny cannot produce a panda pied. A true panda pied is a super black pied. Not a super cinny pied. There is more to it then just produce it with the right ingredients. The odds of producing a panda even with a super black het to a super black het are horrible. But the fascination is the panda is a double homo gene. The panda is a genetic powerhouse. Theres a reason only one has been produced as of now that we know of. My panda project is ians line of black pastel pieds so im hoping to strike the one in a million shot but ill be happy with a black pastel pied.