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    What are some reasons she would be out early during the day

    At around 9am she came out of her hide and started crawling around the tank.

    Last time she eat was on 8/28 but I've tried feeding her a few times after that.
    If it matters I moved a week ago. Temp in hide is 91F and 82F on cool side.

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    what are your AMBIENT temps in the enclosure?

    It is not completely abnormal for a nocturnal snake to be out in the early AM. It is the point where in the wild they would try to warm up before the day gets super hot and they need to retreat to the cool burrow.

    In captivity it might just be that animals personality but with the hunger strike I'd re-examine your husbandry very carefully just to be sure.

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    Re: What are some reasons she would be out early during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by kitedemon View Post
    what are your AMBIENT temps in the enclosure?

    It is not completely abnormal for a nocturnal snake to be out in the early AM. It is the point where in the wild they would try to warm up before the day gets super hot and they need to retreat to the cool burrow.

    In captivity it might just be that animals personality but with the hunger strike I'd re-examine your husbandry very carefully just to be sure.
    Ambient is in the low 80s
    10 gal tank with 3 sides covered with black construction paper but it doesn't go all the way to the top http://i.imgur.com/3G64r.jpg
    Cypress substrate
    Only 1 hide on warm side http://i.imgur.com/EJqHC.jpg
    Heat source is UTH
    Humidity is currently at 54%
    Empty and refill water dish every few days

    The only thing I'm not sure about is how to offer f/t rats to her. When I got her she wasn't eating f/t rats so I got a mouse and she took it almost right away. Then I bought a live rat pup and she would damn near snuggle with it but after leaving it in there all day she eventually took it. Last time she ate was a f/t rat I pre-scented using soiled mouse bedding. Then I dropped and left the warmed f/t rat in the tank for 15 mins, she eventually came out of the hide and took it. I used mouse bedding because it seemed to me that she didn't know the smell of rats or that they are food. I guess it's possibly that she likes mice better but I have a big bag of frozen rats lol.

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    I'd say you should have a cool hide it might be that she is trying to decide between thremoregulating and security.

    As for feeding just make sure it is warm through and I play zombie dance with them, hold it in hemostats or feeding tongs or a hotdog tong (smooth the edges). and dance it around the enclosure it might help.

    I usually try to get them feeding regularly and then switch one thing then the other. But it sounds like yours is half switched now.

    get a second hide and maybe then she will eat for you too.

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    Is it important to have 2 similar hides? I have the one small black one and a larger exo terra hide.

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    Re: What are some reasons she would be out early during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky View Post
    Is it important to have 2 similar hides? I have the one small black one and a larger exo terra hide.
    It is important for some snakes. In my experience and from what I've seen many other people post, all snakes handle things differently. I have some that could go without hides at all, and I have some that are still currently boycotting food because I changed 1 tiny thing in their tub. I'd say the behavior you have described sounds like she is stressed to some degree. If you have two identical hides on either side, they won't have to choose between security and safety. Also, I have yet to see you mention a thermostat...are you using a thermostat for your UTH?
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    Re: What are some reasons she would be out early during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by LGray23 View Post
    It is important for some snakes. In my experience and from what I've seen many other people post, all snakes handle things differently. I have some that could go without hides at all, and I have some that are still currently boycotting food because I changed 1 tiny thing in their tub. I'd say the behavior you have described sounds like she is stressed to some degree. If you have two identical hides on either side, they won't have to choose between security and safety. Also, I have yet to see you mention a thermostat...are you using a thermostat for your UTH?
    Yes you can see the one for the hide in the top left corner here here and one for the cool side of the tank here

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    Re: What are some reasons she would be out early during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky View Post
    Yes you can see the one for the hide in the top left corner here here and one for the cool side of the tank here
    Those are thermometers. Thermometers read the temps...whereas thermostats regulate and control the heating unit. All UTHs should be regulated by a thermostat....
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    Re: What are some reasons she would be out early during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by LGray23 View Post
    Those are thermometers. Thermometers read the temps...whereas thermostats regulate and control the heating unit. All UTHs should be regulated by a thermostat....
    Ahh my mistake, yes I have a slider one.

    You mentioned stress, I honestly can't imagine what could be causing it. Before the move everything in the tank was the same and she seemed fine.

    Also when I let her out and handle her she seems to love it.

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    A dimmer?

    If the temps you are reading are not correct, that could be a big reason for stress. I know all of my snakes burrow under their substrate and lay directly on the glass/plastic. Without my thermostats, the bottoms were reading well over 130*. I use a temp gun because I personally don't trust the cheap digital thermometers. From what I've read they can vary as much as 10 degrees. Also, when I was using a dimmer, I had to change the setting up to 8 times a day because it fluctuated as the day went on, so I'd be careful with that as well.
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