What do we know about breeding Bananas?

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[babyknees]

I've been confused about this for awhile. Bananas and coral glows are the same or different? Just two names for one morph or two different morphs that are compatible? Or no one knows? Maybe this is common knowledge that I just missed.

[piedplus]

Thanks for bringing up this subject. I may be interested in breeding Bananas some day so I'm glad to hear about it. Hope there's more info to come!

[lopesito]

i know there has been produced 1.1 bananas and the male is 50 k

[pinkeye714]

I don't want to chime out the sex-link rule. In humans We have transgenders or more estrogen women. I think the male snakes were simple just more feminine and had the gender assigned till the last minute.

[OhhWatALoser]

also, I would like to add for the sex link thing to be true, males would be the only ones that could be homozygous. assuming it doesn't jump over to the other chromosome

its interesting to hear there are "mistakes" in other animals, seems to fit with what is public right now.

would be nice to have some community statistics. Like are the few homozygous animals male and how often does a male produce a male?

To my knowledge, no one has proven banana and coral glow compatible. Its just the genes are so damn similar, even down to the mystery males, its just suspected they are.

[dr del]

also, I would like to add for the sex link thing to be true, males would be the only ones that could be homozygous. assuming it doesn't jump over to the other chromosome

its interesting to hear there are "mistakes" in other animals, seems to fit with what is public right now.

would be nice to have some community statistics. Like are the few homozygous animals male and how often does a male produce a male?

To my knowledge, no one has proven banana and coral glow compatible. Its just the genes are so damn similar, even down to the mystery males, its just suspected they are.

Surely if it was on the Z chromosome itself then you would have a higher chance of the males in the clutch being bananas than the females?

Isn't it more likely to be tied to the Z chromosome - and it neededn't be in the sex chromosome directly but in DNA that gets passed along with it?

They have found satellite DNA in the more advanced snake species already and some was common to both the Z and W chromosomes and some was specific to the W chromosome.

Say it was tied into one of the ones that was thought to be common to both but altered it slightly so it isn't.

so while both the Z and W have A version that can be passed along they are not the same version?

What I'm groping towards is the possibility it might be recessive in males and needs both sections of satellite DNA of the two Z chromosomes to be the altered version but, since females only have one copy anyway there is no unaltered version to over rule it and it is dominant or co-dominant.

Or is that just horribly complicating the whole thing? It could be completely wrong in any case of course.


dr del

[OhhWatALoser]

Surely if it was on the Z chromosome then you would have a higher chance of the males in the clutch being bananas than the females?

Isn't it more likely to be tied to the W chromosome - and it neededn't be in the sex chromosome directly but in DNA that gets passed along with it?

They have found satellite DNA in the more advanced snake species already and some was common to both the Z and W chromosomes and some was specific to the W chromosome.

Say it was tied into one of the ones that was thought to be common to both but altered it slightly so it isn't.

so while both the Z and W have A version that can be passed along they are not the same version?

Or is that just horribly complicating the whole thing? It could be completely wrong in any case of course.


dr del

well I guess with what we know right now, it can't just stay on one Z, because we would be seeing a ratio 25% coral glow female, 25% coral glow male, 25% normal female, 25% normal male. so something else has to be going on. it can't just be a "simple" sex link trait at all.

But atleast what we are told is their usually seeing 50% female coral glow, 50% male normal, then the ever so rare male coral. it sounds like the male corals never make a normal females. ....... again real statistics would help us make better theories.

I think I understand what your saying, I'm curious how the hell do you prove it or disprove it lol. Maybe with more generations and some good record keeping we might be able to see how this gene jumps around. might be something like If male/female Generation 2 snake came from male female generation 1 snake with the gene, then generation 3 predicted offspring will be XXX.

[OhhWatALoser]

What I'm groping towards is the possibility it might be recessive in males and needs both sections of satellite DNA of the two Z chromosomes to be the altered version but, since females only have one copy anyway there is no unaltered version to over rule it and it is dominant or co-dominant.

How does this explain males coming males though?

[wolfy-hound]

Sounds like we need to breed male deserts to female coral glows. *grins*

Problem solved!