Mind blowing - Ringer Champ clutch

[Dave Green]

I would agree that she looks pied but she was produced from a champ x normal breeding and there was nothing else unusual in that clutch, or subsequent clutches. Champs seem to throw a lot of ringers and I believed that she was just an exceptional example. I hoped, but didn't think, the babies would be so extreme. Either way, I have a fun project on my hands.

[Big Gunns]

I would agree that she looks pied but she was produced from a champ x normal breeding and there was nothing else unusual in that clutch, or subsequent clutches. Champs seem to throw a lot of ringers and I believed that she was just an exceptional example. I hoped, but didn't think, the babies would be so extreme. Either way, I have a fun project on my hands.

BG doesn't really think it's genetically a Pied...although it could be. It just has way too much white to be called a ringer.

[Serpent_Nirvana]

Actually, I think BG is right -- by definition, the mama and those babies are piebald, even if they aren't genetically the same simple recessive pied we all know and love. I think "pied" or "piebald" just refers to any animal with large patches of white with color.

... Maybe you've stumbled on a new way to get a true "pied" pattern without the well-known recessive "pied" gene ... How cool would that be?

[K2exotics]

I think breeding one of the babies or mom to a visual pied as well as a non ringer would be on my list of things to do... it would be a good way to rule out the pied/ new pied/ genetic ringer debate.

Those babies are amazing and some day when you figure them out and decide to let other people have them .. I so want on that list!

SUPER congrats!!!

[CoolioTiffany]

Congrats they look good!